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I have asked this before but didn't get any further from the brick wall. However watching secrets from the workhouse last night and seeing this post I was just wondering if any one may be able to help.

My late Mother Irene Edith Mable Kitchen was born at 250 Kings Road Chelsea on 27th Dec 1927. She certainly didn't live at this address and if it was a private clinic I'm certain that they would not have the funds to be there. My Granddad Arthur Fredericks occupation was a labourer. My Nans address was 2 Munro Terrace Chelsea.

I have tried to find out what kind of institution 250 Kings Road was at that time. It is something that has been bugging me for years. Just wondering if it was a workhouse/hospital/clinic/private house.

If any one has any ideas I would be very grateful. I have visitors later so if I don't get back right away it will be later after lunch.

Many thanks in advance

Teresa :-D

After the death of HCVR in Hythe in 1967 an N A Rysert continued to live at that address 33 Earlsfield Road. Wonder if he/ she was a child of Hector and Amy and a half sibling to Annina's mother

I can't find the birth of Hector Valentine Charles Rysart 1940, son of Margaret and Hector. I tried just using Hector and Bristol 1939-1941. I t doesn't really matter as Anninas has the birth certificate but I wonder why I can't see it.

EDIT ... FOUND IT ON ANCESTRY COULDN'T FIND IT ON FREE BMD

Annina.......Do you know if Hector V C married and if his name was changed? What did your mother call him when she referred to him? You may have unknown cousins somewhere if he had children.

Margaret Hilda is certainly enigmatic!

I note that on Margaret Hilda's death certificate details that Annina posted "clerk at aeroplane works" so did Hector get her the job?

My gut reaction is that she went to Liverpool to have Annina's mum away from home.

A possible in 1911 but no way of confirming

1911 England Census about Margaret Kendrick
Name: Margaret Kendrick
Age in 1911: 4/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: St Helens
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 93 Herbert St Sutton St Helens Lancs
Registration District: Prescot
Registration District Number: 456
Sub-registration District: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Piece: 22797
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Kendrick 34
Ellen Kendrick 36
Joseph Kendrick 14
Ellen Kendrick 13
William Kendrick 11
John Kendrick 10
Ishmeal Kendrick 6
Margaret Kendrick 4/12

Annina
I was wondering if you know anything about HCV Rysart. You mentioned he was adopted but by whom? I was wondering if he was adopted by his birth father? You said your gran kept in touch?

Good find MC I looked on Ansestry but divorce only goes up yo 1911 on there.

Think a new thread with info from here transferred would be easier but maybe Sally only wanted the divorce which thanks to you she now has :-)

I do apologise for making the thread all messy, but I did find this and wanted to post before I lost it:

Reference:J 77/3241/9204
Description: Divorce Court
File: 9204.
Appellant: Rose Ellen Walker.
Respondent: Albert Victor Walker.
Type: Wife's petition for divorce [WD]
Date: 1933
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record

If Sally would like me to start a new thread off for her I'm happy to do so and copy the info over, we can then delete our posts on here.

Hi Sally

Please may I suggest that you start a thread of your own on Albert Victor Walker otherwise it will get very confusing and mixed in with the Annina info.

May I suggest that you start your own thread, delete your entry on this one but first cut and paste Renes reply to your new thread.

I will have a look for you later on

Wendy :-)

Do you know his fathers name please and occupation from marriage cert Sally
Have you considered this one Sally - not Hendon but only. few miles away
There is a 1911 entry as well
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13Piece: 55Folio: 18Page: 28
Reg. District: Fulham
Sub District: North-West Fulham
Parish: FulhamEnum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: St Peter
Address: 11, Clyde Buildings, Fulham
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WALKER, John Wm Head Married M 29 1872 Carman (Gen)
Scarboro, Yorkshire
WALKER, Jane A Wife Married F 30 1871
Scarboro, Yorkshire
WALKER, Olive S D Daughter Single F 3 1898
Chelsea, London
WALKER, Albert Vict Son Single M 0 (2 MOS) 1901
Fulham, London

Thank you again ladies,if you really are interested in my thread I will give you the facts that I have on any certs.

My mothers b cert;
28 april 1927 17 Benson St Hilda Joan,girl,no father,mother Hilda Margaret Kendrick general stores assistant. informant M H KendrickOrchard Villas Orchard Ln East Fazakerly.

Her mothers death cert;
5 March 1941 Hilda Margaret otherwise Margaret Hilda Kendrick F 32 yrs of 7 Oakfield Rd Clifton Bristol spinster clerk at airoplane works other particulars unknown. Signature of informant,R E Painter ,causing the body to be buried,12 John St Bristol.

Brothers b cert.
19 8 1940 388 Southmead Rd. Hector Valentine Charles ,boy, F Hector Charles Valentine Rysart, M Hilda Marjorie ? Kendrick Stock and lost records clerk, of Berkely Sq Clifton Bristol. Occ of /father Sup material control aircraft production.
Informant,Hector C V Rysart 46 Wellington Park Clifton Bristol,Hilda M Kendrick 5 Berkely Sq Clifton Bristol. At the end of his cert a big ADOPTED printed.

Death cert of Hector Charles Valentine 23 12 1967, Hector Charles Valentine Rysart , Occ, Of Earlfield? Rd Hythe Civil engineer retired. Informant A Rysart widow of deseaced present at death Earlfield Rd .

Well, that is all my paper info,all I have left is what my mum told me. She did speak of French relations who owned catering facilities in London,so did she know Hector before moving to Liverpool to have her illigitimate baby? Could he have been her father also?
As for her birth date,we who have been at this game all know that until you have paper proof,it is not always written in stone when they were born,she could have been born 1908,7,or 9. Without finding her birth records we can't know.

Anyway,I will sign off for now,any more you need to know,give me a shout.

:-) :-) :-) :-)

For reference I have found your old thread. Not much on it.


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/records_office/thread/1159503

I have been fasinated by this thread and would love to be able to trace the Kendrick side.

In the meantime Hector seems to have led a very full live in 1930 and again in 1931, with the Loraine Mansions address, he went on cruise. Both were first class he travelled alone. The 1931 original has a column for travelling unaccompanied by wife in which Hector is recorded. In 1930 he went on the Atlantic Islands Cruise and in 1931 to Lisbon, Madeira and the Canary Islands. I think they are both the same places.

As passengers were listed alphabetically I also searched for Kendrick and Coppell.

I rather hoped that Anninas grandmother got a bit more out her short life than two illigtermate children to care for

And ...clutching at straws...

Name: Miss M H Kendrick
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date: May 1907
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Buenos Aires
[Santos]
[Rio de Janeiro]
Ship Name: Nile
Search Ship Database: View the 'Nile' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Royal Mail Steam Packet Company
Official Number: 98056


Original says child under 12 years travelling with Mr W A Kendrick and Mrs Kendrick

If she was born in 1909 this rules rher out

Name: Mrs M Kendrick
Gender: Female
Departure Date: 8 Aug 1905
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Ship Name: Nile
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Nile' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Master: J D Shooner

Travelling with Mr W Kendrick and Miss M Kendrick an infant

A VERY long shot

Also in the same volume and on the same page Robert W F

Registration event: Birth


Name: KENDRICK, Margaret H
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Consulate : Buenos AiresCountry: Argentina
Year: 1906-1910 Volume : 12 Page: 27 Record source:
GRO Consular Birth Indices (1849 to 1965)

Thanks TS.
On lunch so quick posting.
My observations on the school record are 1) His surname is Rysart and 2) he was being transferred to a special school which fits in with What Anina has posted.

Aninna it was your Kendrick records I was wanting addresses of. Every little detail builds up a picture. I have researched some Kendricks with connections in Liverpool and Wales.
LK

I'm so glad I posted the thread, just goes to show how much can be found when people work together on a search :-) Well done to all :-)

I am most impressed by your efforts and results,thank you so much.
I am glad that you finally found the link to the theatre,I often wondered if my mother was cloud cuckoo land when telling me about her mothers exploits.

So,Mr Rysart was a married man,not only that but grandmama worked alongside his wife, naughty girl,no wonder they couldn't wed.

Mums half brother,H V C was born 19.8 1940 and taken in by a convent as his mother was ill with leukemia,from which she died the following April,but my mum never lost touch with him so he couldn't have been formerly adopted. Having said that,I have noticed that it says ADOPTED at the end of his birth cert.
I have found it impossible to trace my granmothers liniage as I cannot trace her birth records,and my mother never knew her grandparents.

I have bought all the possible Kendrick birth certs for the relevent time and area,but none seem to fit,and none have the exact christian name combination,I wonder if she really was born in France as mother claimed.

Anyway,thank you all again for your efforts I am grateful , and love to you all,send round your ironing and I will do it for you.

Nina in sunny Sheffield.

Thank you Lady Kira for all that work,must have taken you ages,well,if you type at my rate it would. The link on findmypast I will have to try later,they are playing silly beggers at the moment

:-D :-D

And me Renes, I just wanted to find out more all the time and so I joined more sites and spend many happy hours researching.