General Chat

I feel impotent with GR searches. I don't know why. Even if I put in Mackelworth for a known census that I am looking at in a record, it comes up nothing found. Is this usual with GR? Cos I am thinking I will need to invest somewhere else.

Can you just confirm that we know where Alice's mum was in 1881...I am getting a bit lost lol.


SORRY just ignore that, I was getting the date wrong ...duh!

Eliza Jane had young Henry in 1886 - is that what you are thinking?

Eliza Jane was never called Elizabeth ever - not in any record I have seen from all of you.

All this cross posting makes me wonder if I have been drinking or not.... :-D

Mick I am just going to go through those workhouse records as the women are seperate from the men...and I'll look for Harmes, and for Ellen Heather just iin case she's there , its about 40 pages so I may be gone some time :-)

In the 1881 census, Henry C Harmes was living with mum, Eliza Jane was about to drop Alice and was with her sister in Kingston, Frank Porter and Elizabeth Heather were together. This is the theory at the moment.

Titus Oates said that and look what happened to him

Tea and a bit of cherry cake I think. So civilised here in Essex....

Sorry, had been busy actually working when lunch hour was over, now on tea break.

@ Rose, Alice's mum Eliza (transcribed as Pointlo)was visitng her married sister Alice Dendy in 1881, so it can't be Eliza in the workhouse.

(EDIT: I see Mick's already summarized that bit)

I posted the census earlier in the thread ( on page 5)

Right back lol only 20 pages, and no corresponding husband for Elizabeth in the workhouse, nor is Ellen with her. So that does look likely .

Thanks Kucinta, I should have remembered where Eliza was. :-D

Have just come back to the thread after a couple of days. My how its grown! I don't think its any good me joining back at this stage. Is there anything else I can help with??

Andy

I agree, Rose's workhouse find looks extremely likely. So looks like the death Mick found for Elizabeth Heather is probably not relevant.

Still not sure what happened to either Elizabeth or Ellen thereafter.

I tried looking for Ellen under Smith and Searle in case she was the lady whose marriage I posted previously,

Marriages Dec 1894
Healey-Heather Ellen Mary Kingston 2a 634 <<<<
Heather Ellen Mary H Kingston 2a 634 <<<<<<<
Roberts Mary Kingston 2a 634
Searle Edwin Kingston 2a 634
Smith George Thomas Kingston 2a 634

As she might have taken mother Elizabeth in, but had no joy. Will have to drop out at this point and get back to work :-(

Hi Andy

Just tidying up one or two loose ends. I am shortly getting started on my adoptive family mother's side. These are the people that brought me up and about whom I know most (back to grandfather) and about whom 99% of my emotional involvement is invested.

So save yourself for that one, please!

The Keoghoes?

Do they originate from Ireland?

If so we might need the resident experts on the Irish side of things. Though Ancestry does have some Irish records.

There's also www.rootsireland.ie/ where you can buy credits - I used it when researching my Irish grandmother's family.

Lots on the Keoghoes :-) depending what part of Ireland, there are some good church records for Dublin, Kerry , plus the Irish census 1901/1911.

Have to go shopping but will have another search for Ellen later :-)

@Kucinta - Now, now. I thought you was at work?.... :-D

We were always told grandad keoghoe was born in Dublin so no searches were carried out and there was apparently a fire in the records office in Dublin so it would have been a lost cause.

Two days ago I found my grandad keoghoe in Bethnal Green aged two on a census record for 1891. So I am gearing myself up for a very emotional search. I have a lot of information already so most of the searching will be pre-1900 (although there are some bits and pieces in the 20th that are vague and might benefit from a quick search or two).

First though, I want to finish with grandad Charles, the Mackelworths (however it is spelt) and the Pointers and Harmes. Nearly there. Just gone through the 40 page word doc and made sure no research is wasted.

I have a wedding this weekend so doubt I will get much done.

mick

ok putting this bit to bed if you don't mind. Here is what I have put on Elizabeth Heather's record

Henry Harmes first wife. No entry of death for Harmes but for Elizabeth Heather there is a death recorded that proved negative. However, an Elizabeth Harmes was found in the workhouse in 1891 census and shown as married and aged 46 - this fits dead on - variable dob again 1845 -1852.
Henry and Elizabeth got married in 1869, and in the 1871 census they are shown living together with Ellen Heather aged 7. So Ellen was 5 when they married. In 1881 Ellen turns up as a 'sister' to an Elizabeth of the right age in the right place but now with the name Porter. No marriage for Liz and Frank Porter, and we think this is because, if it is the right Elizabeth, she was already married to Henry Harmes.

Then we think this poor wife of Henry, who ran off with Frank Porter, was left by Frank (or he died), which explains her being in the workhouse.

mick

I've just discovered that if I wish to start a new family tree for my adoptive family, I have to have a second membership. That's another membership fee. That sucks! :-| :-|

I don't want to add to my already existing tree - there are 104 relatives on there and it's unwieldy when looking at the graphic which I do a lot to keep my head straight.

Since I am not over-excited about the search facility on GR - it gives nil results for known records constantly - even records I have seen before - where do you think I could go to create a new tree, a new membership presumably, and therefore a new search source?

Andy has mentioned ancestry in the past and find my past. Are either of these better than the other? Is the cost comparable? Which do you find has the best bang for buck?

Edit: just had a thought - I could export this tree as a gedcom file to myself and put it in ftm? Trouble is, no one else in the world would have access to all the research.

mick

Mick you can have a second tree but with a free membership.

Re Ancestry or other sites, Ancestry has the London parish records, so if you think you have more London rellies it might be best? .

You can put a tree free on 'Tribal pages' I believe and open it to whoever you choose, I haven't done that but someone here will know all about it :-)

thank you for those titbits Rose. Doesn't a free membership run out after 14 days? My first cousin once removed has disappeared because he couldn't afford the subscription? Is that right?

I'm just looking at fmp. If I subscribe to the 6 month thing - does that mean I can use it as much as I like, look at all the images I like, transcripts etc. and download them, and it won't cost me any more? I am not clear on their charging.