General Chat

I dont agree with the cult thing because I dont believe I am brain washed I just believe in God and love Christ. But to answer the OP then no I dont think they should, if they commit themselves to god and become a priest then do just that ,if they dont want to remain single then dont commit yourself to the church and become a priest. I also think its unfair to assume that because a priest is single and unmarried then that is why they devolop an unealthy interest in abusing children, no thats untrue even married men are pedos and so are the priests that abuse children.

I don't mind if people C&P stuff, if they understand what it says, it saves them typing it themselves, and iI may learn something I wouldn't of bothered finding.

I also haven't a problem with peoples faiths, I find a lot of religions really interesting. I'm a sitter on the fence person, I'm not sure whether I believe or not, someone once said that isn't possible, well it is, cos that's what I think :-D

If you don't believe, that's fine by me, and if you do believe, that's fine by me also. I just couldn't get hot under the collar if people believe something I don't, after all who REALLY knows ;-)

This IS a discussion Errol....it's just a discussion with some depth to it.


It reminds me of a book club discussion........you read something and then discuss it.


Would you discuss what you consider to be an important topic without first looking into it, reading up about, learning about it, getting your facts right?


Now I know that religion is not important to many on these boards but, to a few of us it is and this is the sort of discussion we enjoy and learn from.

I found Joeva'a post interesting and relevant to the discussion. If people wish to include information found from google/other sources then that's their choice. I can choose to read/ignore as I wish, it's certainly not down to me to dictate what people post.

I believe that priests should be able to marry if they so wish, mainly for the reasons given by Sue as follows...

"I believe a married priest would have more compassion for his flock, after all he has to demonstrate the same to his wife. He would also have a greater understanding of the trials of modern day marriage and raising of children, understanding fractured families and what they have lost."


As a slight aside...if nuns and priests are married to Jesus then it follows that he is married to them. Doesn't that confirm that Jesus is in favour of polygamy and same sex marriage ;-)

To Lynda :-)

Like you I find religion and other cultures really interesting and the 1st thing I can remember being taught at sunday school was, respect if others dont believe in God or they do believe in another god then you respect their views, so the first time you see me all upperity and sat on a high horse on the subject please drag me off it and give me a swift hard kick up the ricker ;-)

Cynthia - would you make a person read a whole book just so that it could be discussed?
Discussion should be based on informed opinion. Go to any great debating society and any one side will not make you read all their research. Au contraire, they will present an argument founded upon what THEY have read rather than forcing it down somebody's throat.That is the art and skill of good argument and debate!

Back on topic (AGAIN) how would the catholic church change? In other words surely such a fundamental change at its very core would mean that the catholic church ceased to exist in its current form.

well said Errol :-D

This isn't a debating society either, it's a thread on a genealogy board, I just pass on the bits I don't want to read.

Hayley, as I said my Nan was a catholic, and although none of her children followed the faith, I always found my Nan's "rituals" quite interesting.

I saw an advert in Private Eye this week, about the Quakers, now they look interesting, going to look into that next :-D

Sometimes, it is much easier to quote a page which sets it out clearly ( Ie has been researched,considered, edited, re-written by the author) than to stretch my own brain in trying to put into words what I know or what I'm thinking ;-)

Lynda, do post if you look into the Quakers I find them interesting also .

I would not make anyone do anything but, if say, I belonged to a book club, no doubt I would be expected to read a book before I discussed it.


Nothing whatsoever is being forced down anyone's throat. You can either read what is posted or you can ignore it.


Joeva was not presenting an argument. Joeva was simply presenting the facts about the history of celibacy.


Having read the facts, people may then want to discuss what they think of them and progress on to discussing (not arguing) about how the catholic church would handle allowing their priests to marry given the history kindly offered by Joeva.

If they wish to devote one's self to God, that's all well & good. If they wish to get married maybe that's not such a bad thing as it may teach them what the real world is like, maybe bringing the church up to date with today's times.
My question's would be this...
If the Church was to say it was ok for Priest's to marry would it be just a man to a lady or would same sex partners be included?
IMHO you can't have one rule for one without the other.

good question Ron

well done ;-) ;-)

Exactly, Rose, re your post of 21.08.

I've just quoted Sue as she put what I wanted to say succintly. I see no difference between that and using text from other sources to make your point.

It is well said that in order to avoid arguments never ever discuss either politics or religion.

Ron..
Yes of course nuns should also be included...

I don't go along with every Doctrine that the Catholic Church teaches .....Why should I ?

I would be lying if I said I did......

I was Baptised a Catholic will continue to be one until I pop my clogs !!

Nobody can ever take my faith away its embedded in me....Simple !!

You know Cythia if I had post the same exact post as your last one with the very same words, some on here would claim I was being aggressive but seems it wasnt me it was you, ithe same people would argue that you are devoted ....hmmm

Hayley i could not agree more :-D :-D

one rule for one and another rule for somebody else - i guess
so you can only add to a debate if you agree
mmm that doesnt ring right to me like

GRMarilyn my question was as follows
My question's would be this...
If the Church was to say it was ok for Priest's to marry would it be just a man to a lady or would same sex partners be included?
IMHO you can't have one rule for one without the other.

OK .....Sorry Ron .....I did not read that correctly.

In my opinion......... I say why not !.........Yes again .. :-D