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Sylvia,

you are off the mark by a long road flower..........

never knew I was a flower before :-D :-D :-D


You can put down what I posted on the Nicene and Apostles Creeds to the fact that I have never ever lost my interest in research ....... which is why I so enjoy genealogy.


I was intrigued by what John asked ............ and was rather amazed to find that I could sit here and recite the Apostles Creed almost perfectly ..............................

that tells you what being taugth religion 5 days a week form age 4 to 11 can do for you.


I certainly never expected to be called a "religious type.


or get involved in the flack being thrown at John.

I didn't realise that *Religious type* was a derogatory term !!!!!!

Do we have to say *person with religion* now???

I have to admit when I looked in earlier I did go and check which thread I was on as I thought I'd opened the Christian one by accident.

Of course folk are free post as they wish.......but I'm equally free to comment upon it :-D

**edit...my post makes no sense now as previous post has been edited*

My post had nowt to do with Syliva at all,,,,,

As always refers to his friends? as------***Christians*** as though the very word holds a tremendous high status,,,,,,,perhaps us mere mortal athiests could be heathens,,,,,,,,perhaps we are...... ;-) :-D

errrrrr ..................


Muffy


not sure what you are talking about when you say "previous post has been edited"



If you are referring to either of my two postings at 20:45 and 20:53 .................. neither has been edited or altered since I posted them.


Nor has the earlier one posting about the Creeds.



so I am not guilty

I can still recite all the books of the Old Testament :-P

that just makes me an atheist with a really good memory :-D :-D :-D :-D

As a RC....nope!

I have a faith, but would not want to marry a priest, in the sense of today's 'priest'

.....he cant have sex!

actually I prefer to call myself an a-religious person ..................


I'm not religious

I'm not really a heathen

I'm not agnostic

I'm not athiest.


I just do not get the happiness, comfort and, pleasure might be the word, that lots of people do get.


Nor do I like the bitchiness that goes on within the church community in so many cases ............... OH comes home from church, and talks about Mrs so-and-so, and Mr this-and-that, and how he dislikes it.

He stays because he literally loves church music ............. if the choir director were ever to leave, then he would also stop attending.

For full disclosure, he was raised in the Methodist tradition, his grandfather was a Welsh Methodist, and he went to a Welsh Methodist school.




But that does NOT mean that I do not believe that religion is extremely important to very many people ........


and I will not denigrate anyone on the basis of their religion or their beliefs ..................


and I do not believe that they should be denigrated by anyone else, of the same, a different, or no religion.




and I do realise that this is way off the topic of the OP!



but that is the way conversations, in real life and in the internet world, sometimes go.



To go back to the topic ...............

.............. the Catholic Church will elect a new Pope in a couple of weeks time, and I am certain that the question of priests being allowed to marry will once again be asked within the Catholic church .........


........ and they really are the only people who should have any say in the matter!

I do hope Syvlia you are not referring to me as a heathern as I'd be very hurt and very offended and even though I often find your posts agressive and feel you are talking at me rather than to me I know you dont normally go out of your way to offend anyone.

I am just tired of debates threads being over run with people insulting one and another for believing or not believing the question is simple " do you think priests should be able to marry....the answer should be yes or no and a reason if you choose to give one, we dont need pages and pages C & P from the net or bible quotes ,how often people attend church or giving sermons that is not debating its preaching and thats why people are getting annoyed or simply cant be bother posting.

Absolutely spot on Hayley. Well said.

no I was not calling you a heathen ......


I do try not to be aggressive, and not to bully, or even seem to be bullying

the posting where someone said they were heathen has disappeared


as it was also the post that used the phrase "religious types" ..........


..... my posts also sound irrelevant.


I do love people who post, run, and then return to delete their message .. NOT!




I posted on this thread simply to answer a question posed by John re the two creeds ................


.......... and I guess I should apologise to the rest of you who seem to believe that research and interest aroused by a simple comment should not be part of posting on any thread.



I had not previously posted on this thread, because I consider the question to be a non-question.


Yes, priests should be allowed to marry


BUT ...............

No-one other than the members of the Catholic Church should have any say in the matter

A lot have posted on this particular thread, Hayley :-D :-D

Had no idea anyone was having a go at me either. I just put my four pennyworth in and, if it looks a bit religious, maybe (just maybe) it is because I am. 36 years as better heathen and atheist that anyone on Genes, 30 years with a committed and deepening faith.

I am now the boring old religious freak that I used to poke fun at for most of my life!!!!!

Many thanks for comments about the Creeds, Sylvia. This was about prayers that Catholics and Protestants can say together. I suspect there is so much more we can agree on.

And it is important, because people outside Christianity don't understand why we have two main strands. One strand with married priests, one strand with celibates. Same way many do not understand why there has to be two main strands of the Islamic faith.

And Catholic priests did marry and have families until less that 500 years ago in UK. And I expect they get married in parts of world today - just don't tell the Pope.

I don't necessarily see why people outside christianity would not understand. Of course they would!
Bit of a fatuous thing to say in my opinion and antagonistic on this thread.
John, try and join in informed debate without goading please!

Sylvia I did not refer to you as a bully or felt I was being bullied I just want that noted.

As a child of a C of E mother and RC father but brought c of e I feel I have a half a say on this :-D Not that I think the Pope will take notice, as a child I desperately wanted to be RC I would of sold a kidney for a white holly communtion dress and vail and white gloves I wanted the pretty beads and then be parading round the streets with me mates and everyone said awwwwwwww ....

I dont think Priest should marry and to answer your earlier question No I wouldnt like to be married to a Priest I am not needy but I dont ever want to be the other women :-D

Errol. Behave.

I have had conversation after conversation with Muslims, Sikhs, Taoists, Atheists you name it. To them we follow Christ. One Muslim said to me "Catholics are not part of the Christian church, are they?".

People are confused why Protestants and Catholics are so far apart on some things. I am often confused myself :-S :-S

If anybody else says I am goading, insincere, condescending - I think I will explode all over the internet. It is making me very very crabby, to be honest. :-(

I fully understand,

to assume is to presume is to get it wrong......

Yes, priests should be allowed to marry


BUT ...............

No-one other than the members of the Catholic Church should have any say in the matter

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Absolutely


Until you have been there!

And Catholic priests did marry and have families until less that 500 years ago in UK. And I expect they get married in parts of world today - just don't tell the Pope.


Please, ref your source?

My Daughter (Cof E) married a Catholic. She wasn't too sure at first and to be honest and neither was I.
BUT GUESS WHAT my son in law and I get on like a house on fire and GUESS WHY its because we dont talk at all about Bloody Religion. We just get on with the simple things in life.
I won't be contributing to this thread anymore as I think it has ran its course. I just wish that the OP had just been a simple yes or no answer as already been mentioned but leave it to the religious fanatics to continue with it. You can call me what you like but I wont be back to answer.

Gp

Hang on John, people outside of Christianity might just know a lot more than you presume.

You had 36 years as a heathen, I had 44 as a Christian so stop assuming you know everything about everything, i cannot unlearn what I was taught. I do not need preaching to neither do I need an explanation concerning the huge or subtle differences between the two main Uk faiths.

Have some humility please. You are not the keeper of the scrolls, most of us have had a look!