General Chat

Sometimes. Depends on what time of day it is. We often hear of things happening whilst you are asleep - and vice versa.

However, once the cameras arrive on the scene, some things are often relayed and we can watch them as they are happening......The wonders of modern technology!

Berona, that's the difference inevitably based on the time zone difference.

So you hear Aus news before it gets to us and vice versa.

Yes, let us wait and see. It could be that there is no connection between the nurse's "apparent suicide" and a stupid prank, which might have been considered by some to be reasonably harmless and possibly forgotten by now, if it wasn't for the possible connection.

The news reporters are still falling over each other to be "first" with their "scoop" - whether official or not - true or not - and they will continue to probe and speculate with their "it has been reported" (by whom? give us a name!)...

I point out that someone has arranged for the nurse's family in India to be lined up and interviewed (in their grief) before we know whether there is a connection or not. This typifies my statement that the media have no care for people - just in selling stories.

Dangersprout - I heard the news within an hour of hearing the first news of the call - and it stated that the radio station had suspended all advertising, pending investigation. As a commercial radio station, it relies on advertising, so if advertisers withdrew their custom, it was AFTER the suspension.......Once again, it's a matter of HOW it is reported and HOW it is interpreted.

I am just about to leave to go back to the coast so don't have the time to give further links until tonight so please bear with me.

However, just to reiterate I do stand by my comments that speculation shouldn't be happily bandied about when in every news report, visual or written, the nurse who died did not breach patient confidentiality. Her family have enough to bear without further accusations which have not been reported and would have tarnish her nursing reputation.

As to the rest I'll be back later.

Sue

Its a pity the "News of the World" is no more.
If it was... this morning we would be reading the "full honest truth" about this very tragic and seemingly complex event.



Yer!..you know.... (Well their particular version anyway).

dangersprout, No still cannot find anything that says "A statement from the hospital said"

All i see is media saying "its been reported" with no confirmation on where the reports come from but quoting that hospital chief exec and Chairman have said?

If the chief exec or chairman said? why was it not in their statement they gave to the cameras outside the hospital when they also said they will not be answering question? at the outset,

link below

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20645838

I respect your right to post wherever you choose to but you have said that others should not

8 Dec 2012 22:49 Please get your facts straight before jumping to conclusions and slapping them all over GR. There are other sites you can do that on and they will welcome you with open arms

as for FACT's,.... truth is WE don't have any facts that includes YOU so it would also help if you accepted that we are all only posting based on what we have read In the media and we all no that they would never MIS-QUOTE and twist the truth don't we;-)

Roy

Edit, Roy you have answered your own question

I don't think so, your assuming i believe everything i read in the press

Berona, they are running news items here about the backlash, the latest being that some advertisers have withdrawn their business from the radio station.

I am not a fan of all the vitriol being poured on the two on the web, some of it is quite frankly disgusting.

That radio station isn't far from where I live, so if the call was received at 5am, it would have been 4pm here. I don't listen to the station at all as it caters mostly for the very young adults and obviously, at that time, would be catering for students after school.

I understand that the two DJs felt so sure that Security would prevent them from getting past the switchboard, that they had very little prepared to say and just fooled around, being silly. Now that the situation has taken a tragic twist, they have both gone into hiding and are receiving counselling.. Whilst the very young may be supporting them on FB, etc.....most of the people in the country are appalled by what their behaviour may or may not have led to.

Oh dear, my sources are Sky News, BBC, and many UK and overseas newspapers. All available to anyone with access to the www.

These reported the statement from the hospital that the nurse who died did not give out any information on Kate's condition merely transferred the call.

How much clearer to do you want it?

Roy you have answered your own question but I'll give you a foreign press link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9732337/Hospital-bosses-turn-against-radio-show-for-humiliating-nurses.html

No Berona I am none of those things .The quote containing the word 'days' was from the news agencies. From that how on earth would I know whether 'days' means 2, or 3? How would anybody?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/07/kates-admission-hoax-nurses-death-timeline

My anger was caused by some people stating that the nurse who has died divulged information and she didn't! Also speculation that she may have been on night shift and took medication which caused her demise.

We do not know anything other than the bald FACTS.

I shall post wherever I choose to, I will also put facts up for consideraion and challenge supposition.

Sue

Edit: Jude what a good idea



:-D

Cannot see it happening whilst people want to have their speculation published for heaven knows what purpose.

Just been reading this from BBC this morning. One word that rang loud in my ears (its in the link below) last night listening to the news was was "humiliated"......the poor lady was humiliated. It does'nt have to be anything other than humiliation and humiliation is a very strong feeling.
Its still reported as "apparent suicide"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20656911

Perhaps we can leave the agro on here for now and wait for the outcome of the inquest.

jude

She was the nurse who put the call through according to all the media this morning.

She was a victim of the hoax because the person she spoke to lied to her about who was calling.

On a more general point it's time we the public stopped looking at humiliation as a form of entertainment.

I don't watch or listen to that sort of show because they make me cringe but enough do for the DJs to think it was ok to do what they did. And it wasn't.

Gwynne

It's the media that said their was 2 nurses involved,

the statement from the BBC royal correspondant reported that she was the nurse who put the call through but i have not seen the hospital confirm this, If anyone has then they could post the link,

BBC royal correspondent Peter Hunt said he understood Mrs Saldanha - who was staying in hospital accommodation close to King Edward VII hospital - was the person who answered the call from the Australian DJs and was not the nurse who discussed the duchess's medical condition

The 2 men in suits (one) of them was the King Edward VII chief executive John Lofthouse said she was the victim of the hoax?
In a statement outside the hospital, King Edward VII chief executive John Lofthouse said: "We can confirm that Jacintha was recently the victim of a hoax call to the hospital.

so was she the nures who gave the info or the nurse who put the call through?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20645838

Roy

I wasn't going to bother coming back to this thread after being asked if I could read and accused of 'jumping to conclusions and spreading it....etc.etc' (two posts??) but after being corrected on the issue of two nurses being involved, I have this to say......

Why don't we wait until all investigations are complete and we have the REAL facts, before making any more speculations? It is possible that the lady's death might not have had anything to do with the call. Has anyone thought of that?

Whatever the outcome.........let us wait for it.
We are merely contributing to the media frenzy by continuing to talk about it. Journalists love it. They don't care about people - just stories.

It seems to me that several people are confusing the two nurses.
The lady who died was NOT the one who divulged information & was in no way responsible for the debacle.
I know nothing about her or her circumstances, but feel that she probably had other severe problems & being inadvertently involved in this was the final straw.
This is always supposing that she DID commit suicide.....something which no one will know until after the inquest & should be of interest only to her family.
Who is to say that she didn´t have a health problem & that her unexpected death is not just coincidence?
This in no way excuses the stupidity of the people who played the prank in the first place.

dangersprout, You posted above,

Please get your facts straight before jumping to conclusions and slapping them all over GR. There are other sites you can do that on and they will welcome you with open arms

and: I'm just sick to the back teeth of some people perpetuating the untruth

I take it that you have all the facts?

We can only pass comment on what we see and read in the media, So what makes your sources more factual and true

If your sick of reading posts on this thread then may i suggest you stop reading them yourself rather than telling other members what they can and cannot post on GR or do you also hold a position of authority at GR head office


Roy

Its reported by BBC ----------The call was pre-recorded,,,,,,,,then broadcast by the Sydney radio station.
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The BBC online uk, through what ever seedy means have now published a photograph of this poor woman. and no doubt its plastered all over our media rags------nice to see they are obliging the family wishes to be left in private.!

Yes, I can read, dangersprout. Also, I stand corrected . I have read so many different reports on the matter, that I can only go by what I read and see on TV, whereas, you seem to have all the facts. Are you a journalist? Or perhaps you knew the lady personally, for you to be so sure. I wonder how you, too, are not as misinformed as I am, if your knowledge came from the same sources as mine did.

You say that the nurse was found "days" after the call. How many days? Once again, I'm confused. However, we are only offering our thoughts here.
There is no need to be nasty and insulting about it.

I'll always agree to a disgreement with Muffy without any nastiness. We are poles apart on the procedural lapse, or not, at the hospital.

Sometimes people phone me and I struggle to work out who it is and I know them. I had a dodgy line to son a few months ago and he kept asking who I was. We don't know what the reception was like in the UK (we only heard the Aus side of the call), we don't know if there was background noise when she answered the phone. All we do know is she passed the call to another nurse on the right ward. We don't know where the night line phone was located, it my have been to one of the nurses' stations and she had patients to care for. We know bugger all.

I can well imagine their hell Suemaid.

Without defending the DJ's they are living their own hell now. Young, silly and with no idea what the consequences would be - they are sure paying the price now.