General Chat

Bringing the thread back to who it's about, Jimmy Saville, I read that there may have been at least six investigations by the police, after abuse claims.

I think it just shows just how "clever" paedophiles are, they turn words around, and believe what they do is acceptable.

To think how he used to talk adoringly of his mother, calling her The Duchess, was that just another ploy to make people think what a wonderful man he was?

Talking to friends and family about how it appears he got away with it for so long, most came to the conclusion, that if an adult did something when you were small, and told you not to tell, then you probably didn't, and of course you didn't have the words to tell anyone anyway, because those sorts of things weren't discussed.

Could be that some of the young girls who had been molested did tell but were not believed.

One fourteen year old on a cruise with her parents in 1978 was certainly believed because her parents complained to the skipper. After questioning him about is inappropriate behaviour the skipper was convinced that he was lying in his denials and confined Savile to his cabin. He was then chucked off the ship when it reached Gibraltar.

I wonder if there was any publicity regarding this at the time, or whether this too was hushed up.

Regarding "Compensation" As I stated before,His Will should be frozen,any bequests that have been payed should be returned untill such times as things have been sorted out. As for sueing the BBC.Hospitals etc, It,s not the Institutions but the People who were in the know about what was happening that should be sued,because they let it happen and did not show due diligence as they should have.**M**.

As regardig his will and charities getting most of his money, there has already been a case where a charity was left money in a will it was challenged and the charity was forced to pay it back.

So in this case the people can sue Jimmy Savile estate and get compensation if awarded it for it.

I don't want the BBC or the NHS to pay any money over because we the ordinary people will suffer in one way or other.

There seem to be 2 news stories that I cannot follow through (having lot of trouble with google). One was in November 2011 which talks about charities receiving the main monies from his 3 page will. That suggests it may have been proven then and charities have used some or all of his fortune in last 11 months.

And 4 months ago his love child tried to claim she was entiled to a share. Her name was Georgina Ray. Never saw this story at the time, and there must have been discussion then if there was any chance of freezing assets and giving Ms Ray a share.

I would doubt they are likely to chase individuals who worked for BBC and NHS. I think they are going after the Institutions because they know it will be easier to secure a settlement from them - NHS seem to be paying compo all the time for botched ops.

People at the top of the BBC and NHS at time will continue to get their huge pensions and live in luxury. The people that will eventually foot the bill for any successful compo payouts will be you and me, Merlin. Via higher taxes, higher NI and higher TV licenses. :-( :-(

I imagine gathering all the information will take months, even years, as for any compensation, I doubt for many of those he abused, it's on the top of there list

I just hope that those who have suffered, will get closure of some sort. I have realised though, at how strongly I feel about those who think that because he is dead, that it doesn't now matter, I have heard this comment a couple of times. Of course it matters, although he is dead, I'd still want to know that someone has at last taken notice of what I'd said years before, or had I not told anyone, that at last I could speak of what happened, to have something kept a secret for so long is unimaginable, and it must be such a relief, when his name was mentioned in adoration, you squirmed, but now could be able to say how disgusting he was, and not be made to feel awkward for doing so.

There are some, who will try to turn the whole abuse accusations into how much the victims will get and where will it come from.

I imagine the vast majority of his victims will only want justice for being abused

That makes perfect sense, Lynda. And it is surely the best outcome from this sorry mess.

But human nature can be very complex, and if there is any smell of compo it is like hounds ripping a fox to pieces.

The only hound & fox is Jimmy Saville himself.

Not all members of the human race are ruled by money, and nobody should assume that's the only reason he was exposed, to do that is doing the victims an injustice.

Linda One of hounds imho is Max Clifford. I was thinking also of solicitors. The fox is anybody or any institution that they feel they can easily get money from. Family, chaities, BBC, NHS, executives who worked for BBC, NHS, friends. co-workers.

Now John Peel is pushed into spotlight also. And I would not be surprised if Jimmy Savile is tip of iceberg and many pop stars and celebrities will now be sued for inappropriate sexual behaviour.

You said "I just hope that those who have suffered, will get closure of some sort".

Totally agree with you. That is what I also have thought since this horrible story has broken. That hoped for closure of something they have thought about for many years should be focus of all enquiries, and people are more likely to contribute fully to an enquiry if they do not think someone will try and get money out of them.

John, why do you seem so against the victims getting compensation?

I brought Max Clifford into this conversation but not for the reasons you assume John.

He is a vile piece of work who will do anything he can to coerce victims into signing to him for exclusives (nothing to do with compensation).

My objections are that anything he touches is tainted by sensationalism and IF he gets his grubby hands on any of the potential claimants he will sell the sex rather than the abuse.

But never mind he has dragged the disgraced back up the ladder of acceptable public decency (for a huge fee) so perhaps he'll manage to have JS declared a saint by 2020.

I agree about not financially compensating Savile's vicitims, unless they can prove in this case that they have lost earning potential.

Whilst not belittling what they went through at the time, there is the suspicion that others could be jumping on the band wagon if they smell money.

In other cases, 3 questions should be asked.

Has your quality of life been affected?
Do you now need long term physical care?
Has the incident caused you to lose pay?

Gwynne I am not against compensation if the money redresses damage they have suffered. I think DET's points are excellent in this regard.

But it started out with the victims saying how pleased there was hoping to be an enquiry and that people took their claims seriously.

How would you measure,abuse affecting your quality of life? You wouldn't know how you would have lived, had you not been abused.

Lost earning potential?

That's the least of the problems suffered by some of those sexually abused. They can be unable to sustain relationships, unable to bond with their children, unable to trust anyone, unable to hold a job for any length of time because of the trauma suffered.

Long term physical care? Maybe not. Long term mental health issues, almost certainly. And those wounds are very deep.

Savile died a very rich man, it's only right that some of that money goes to those damaged by his evil actions. A stable home and some financial security may help them regain some control of their lives.

They are entitled to whatever they can get.

Gwynne

but how can anybody measure the damage he did to these people
no amount of money can compensate
the damage to their childhood :-( :-(

"no amount of money can compensate"

Exactly. Surely an individual acknowledgment that a great wrong had been done to them will help to lay things to rest for the victims. After all, money doesn't buy happiness, or take away the distress caused in the first place.

The point about long term mental health issues is taken. But then again, they would have to have some sort of record that they have under-gone counselling.
Don't forget that initially the reporting refered to young teenagers in the care system which 'might' have had a negative impact on their lives even without the unwanted attention by JS.

Money can't buy happiness but it can make a difficult and unhappy life a lot more comfortable. I'm sure anyone struggling on benefits would say more money would make them happier.

So if they were in the care system already sexual abuse may not have made their lives even more difficult? So they don't deserve compensation. I can't see the logic in that.

Sexual abuse impacts on every area of life no matter what the circumstances before the abuse. If anything it's even worse for those already in crisis.

Many victims reported the abuse at the time and were ignored which compounded the abuse. The police and those in authority have a lot of questions to answer. And compensation should come from Savile's estate, not public funds.

Gwynne

Was talking to a friend last night and he said "what a shame that all of Jimmy Saville's good works have been blighted by these claims"

I am not often lost for words his statement left me spleechless.

What a plonker ....not my original description :-0

Libby, I actually agree with your friend,

"what a shame that all of Jimmy Savile's good works have been blighted by these claims"

At the moment they are still CLAIMS that are under investigation

The police and media don't help when they subscribed to the Theory of him being guilty before any of these claims have been fully investigated

I keep an open mind until these claims are proven to be fact


So I'm happy to be another plonker

Roy