General Chat

Yes. I can see that.
I´m just pointing out that what you are saying is not what I meant.
I wouldn´t smoke in the presence of a non smoker who objected, but I don´t feel that anyone has the right to tell me that I can´t smoke at an appropriate time & in an appropriate place.
This has nothing to do with whether cigarettes should be sold in plain packets. I don´t know anyone who became a smoker beccause they were attracted by the packaging.

Sorry wisechild I have copied and pasted the words from your previous post-jl

I totally agree with that Charley, I was having a fag in the smoking area of a pub and this bloke came and stood next to me and lit a spliff, at which point i told him where to get off, I chose to smoke tobacco not weed so it's not only none smokers that can be affected

Roy

I just think that government just want to be seen to be doing something about smoking but as usual they have got it wrong

These measures will only add to the myth that smoking is cool so i fear that more teenagers will see it as the thing to do

Roy

Janet.
I said what I meant.
I wouldn´t have any worries about smoking in the company of other smokers.
What you have written is something entirely different from what I said.

So it was Rose..You're quite right....lying a baby on their front just seems so utterly ridiculous my brain obviously just doesn't compute it lol x

"I do try to be considerate & would never smoke in another person´s presence if I knew they objected, but I don´t feel that anyone has the right to tell me I can´t, "

How much better this would sound if written:

I am considerate and would never smoke in another person's presence-jl

I started having one or two ciggies a day when I was just into my teens. It was the naughtiest thing my friends and I did back then. Thats when fags were everywhere and considered a "cool thing to do".

I live near a city that had to build a new town to accomodate the workforce of a major ciggy supplier and for decades the area flourished.

I was adamant my son wouldnt take up my BAD HABIT and glad he never did.

I now only smoke in my garden, never anywhere else cause I hated the way other people looked at me. Ive worked all my life saved for my old age never claimed benefits dont drink alcohol ( well just on hols or at xmas ) and certainly never fell out of a city centre pub on a sat night . Which takes me to say, as a classic addict as Eldrick has already pointed out, I wonder how much the cost of policing city centres on a wkend all over the country and the cost to the nhs at A and E for taking care of the stupid idiot drunks. What was wrong with pubs closing at 10.30 then onto a nice little club. Again tax and more tax

Just my twopennorth.
But no matter what the government say or do.People will smoke wether the cartons are white or have a name on.

It's entirely up to an individual.

I stopped smoking by cold turkey early last July and I am a lot better healthwise as well as Monetary..

Sue

Muffy just to amend that slightly it was found that lying on side or back was safer than lying face down ( which had become a trend for some obscure reason I could never fathom)

They can do all they like, but if people want to smoke then smoke they will !,hiding cigarettes in supermarkets is a joke & plain packaging. What's going to be next, how about a fine if anybody sees anyone else smoking !
This country is a laughing stock, but as other's have said they don't complain about the revenue they receive from people smoking. :-0

When the USA brought in prohibition it did not work - they served it from a teapot and drank from cups instead!

The Cot Death campaign mainly found that lying the babies on their side rather than on their backs reduced the death rate.

Smoking during pregnancy and around children and babies was seen as a no no way before that as I recall x

When the book 'Lady Chatterley's Lover' became available to the great reading public, that too was only available in a plain brown wrapper. That didn't stop people rushing out to buy it. LOLOL

Julia in Derbyshire

There are no cigarettes sold in the UK which are manufactured in the UK. Government saw to that and the loss of thousands of jobs.

On a lighter note, I have a friend who owns a Newspaper/Tobaconists shop. His opinion of the new rules re having curtains etc in front of the cigarettes.They must be mad, no matter what is done if people wish to smoke they wiil.what he may do is cover the display with curtains, then install a little man who at the press of a button will rise from the front as they open playing on a little organ "Smoke gets in your eyes"

The government, rightly or wrongly, is trying to acknowledge there is a problem. For the smoker who wishes to carry on, that is fine and the right of that individual.What is harder to change is the smoker who happily smokes but doesn't accept that there is an addiction at work and that it is better that they never started in the first place. That is not the same as saying don't smoke.


Many years ago Anne Diamond lost a child to cot death and being of a high profile at the time made people sit up and take notice. One outcome was that smoking near a new baby was detrimental to that child and may contribute to a cot death. How many people smoke near a new baby now.? That is more down to education. When a baby dies in those circumstances it isn't just the immediate family who suffer. From taking the emergency call with someone screaming down the phone, to the staff collecting the dead baby or the hospital staff dealing with the aftermath it affects everyone .

Meanwhile the smoker is quite blase that they don't have a problem.

I do admire that Roy, unlike most smokers, acknowledges the problem and I hope that somehow his addiction can be helped.As he said, he was not aware of the health problems when he was young. If adults and parents don't 'acknowledge' there is a serious risk, why would a teenager even consider this as a problem of starting smoking even though it is written on the box. All they see is that it is an adult thing to do and if the adults don't behave responsibly why on earth would a teenager.

So going back to the question of plain packaging, it must make it cheaper to produce, as the ciggy companies are not paying for the services of some graphic designer to come up with a logo so I don't think the companies will be bothered either way. But if it does work, and I don't think it will, then everything that can be done is being looked at. For that they deserve a point.-jl

On the question of banning the branding of cigarettes, what about the manufacturers?
can´t see them being too happy about it.

I tried the tablets they never worked for me but they did help about 45% of the people that tried them, I had some side effects but nothing serious

Drink driving in the UK is a total driving ban for what ever period of time the courts think is just, and most insurance companies now will only insure you after a ban if you attend a rehab course

Roy

Hi Roy,,,,
Here in Aussie we have soo many options....
drink driving is against the law,,,,,,but you can get a day pass if caught,,,,to go to work and back...

Here we have a course of tablets for smokers,,,,,that were designed in the US...does have some side effects....but I am a nutter from way back and didn't get any...



Does anyone thinks some ppl overplay the side effects just to get attention???

Kellie