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I think you will find that in the context of this debate it is Religion itself that is the supposition :-)

You are reading a different thread to me. What have you just done?

sigh.

i think you will find that I said i can respect a person not a belief.

Presumably you would afford automatic respect to the westboro baptist church - you know, the ones who picket the funerals of us servicemen and carry placards saying the deserved to die because america supports gays. Because they believe what they preach, so they should be respected, eh.

Theres plenty more like them. So you are telling me that they should be respected, because they have a belief....? Seriously?

RESPECT A PERSONS CHOICE AND NOT TO RIDICULE IT,I DO NOT HAVE A BELIEF BUT I STILL HAVE RESPECT FOR OTHERS WHO DO,

dizzi -

Not that i have to justify myself to you or anyone, but i have no automatic respect for beliefs whatsoever. none, zero, nada. nil.

People, yes. beliefs, no. Would you care to tell me why any belief should be entitled to automatic respect? I'm willing to change my mind if you can convince me.

its in a (different) book

Back in 1952, the equivalent of todays 'video going viral' might well have been a record like the one Oklahoman comic and musician Johnny Standley made, in front of an enthusiastic audience, which sold a million copies and for a while was constantly heard on radio, both here and in the US. It's a simple piece of character comedy, sending up the style of the tent-meeting revivalist preacher, waving his book on high...

I have a message for you - a very sad message!

My subject for this evening will be... Little Bo Peep.

It says here, "Little Bo Peep, who was a little girl, has lost her sheep. And doesn't know where to find them."

Now that's reasonable, isn't it?

It's - it's reasonable to assume, if Little Bo Peep had lost her sheep, It's only natural that she wouldn't know where to find them. That, that basically is reasonabl-l-le, but, uh, "leave them alone".

Now that overwhelms me...completely overwhelms me!

the man said she lost her sheep, turns right around and boldly states, "She doesn't know where to find them". And then has the stupid a-a-a-u-u-udacity to say, "Leave them alone"!

Now! Now, now think for a moment! Think!

If the sheep were lost, and you couldn't find them, You'd HAVE to leave them alone, wouldn't you? So... "Leave them alone". "Leave them alone"...

It's in the book!

"Leave them alone, and they" (they being the sheep) "they will come home". Ah yes, they'll come home. Oh, there'll be a brighter day tomorrow, they will come home!

It's in the book!

"They will come home...a-waggin' their tails" Pray tell me, what else COULD they wag?

They will come home, a-waggin' their tails... behind them." Behind them!

Did - we - think - they'd - wag - them - in - front?!

Of course they - they might have come home in reverse. They could have done that, I really don't know.

But nonetheless, it's in the book!

Now if you will, kindly, pick up your books, and turn to page two-hundred twenty-two, we'll ask you all to sing. You'll find your books on the back of your seats. Are we ready?

[Short Band intro]

Everyone, two twenty-two, let's really enjoy ourselves, let's live it up. All together...

[Piano arpeggio]

[Sings] You remember Grandma's lye soap
Good for everything in the home,
And the secret was in the scrubbing,
It wouldn't suds and couldn't foam.

[Chorus - exuberant]

Then let us sing right out of grandma's, of grandma's lye soap
Used for - for everything, everything on the place,
The pots and kettles, the dirty dishes,
And for your hands and for your face.

[band stops - audience clapping dies away slowly]

Shall we now sing the second verse...
Let's hit it with a great exuberance, let's live it up.
It's not raining inside tonight...
Everyone...let's have a happy time.
Are we ready? All together, the second verse.

[takes tuning note from piano]

[Sings] Hmmm.
Little Herman and Brother Thurman
Had an aversion to washing their ears
Grandma scrubbed them with the lye soap.
And they haven't heard a word in years.

[Chorus]

Then let us sing right out of grandma's, of grandma's lye soap.
Sing all out, all over the place.
The pots and kettles, the dirty dishes,
And also hands and also face...

[clapping fades again as band has stopped]

Well, let's sing what's left of the last verse.
Let's have a happy time, everyone.
The last verse, al-l-l-l together.

Ev-v-v-very one!

[piano note]

Mm-m-m-m. Thank you kindly, kindly,
[Sings] M-m-Mrs. O'Malley, out in the valley,
Suffered from ulcers, I understand.
She swallowed a cake of grandma's lye soap,
Has the cleanest ulcers in the land.

[Chorus - wild - lots of whooping!]


[Sings]Then let us sing right out of grandma's, of grandma's lye soap.
Sing right out. All over the place.
The pots and - the pots and pans, oh dirty dishes,
And the hands...

[tarah chord to finish]

SEEMS TO ME ELDRICK YOU JUST LOVE TO SHOCK FOLK BUT YOU DONT SHOCK ME JUST MAKE ME THINK HOW LITTLE YOU THINK OF THOSE WHO HAVE A BELIEF ,

ok, ive shared a shandy with a muslim .

I like sin. its sort of being a rebel when you kneel in front of the golden calf whilst overdosing on bacon at lent and coveting the neighbors ass. Or is it ox? hmmm, no wonder people fall foul of that one. I will draw a veil over the other ones :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

I can promise you it's true :-D I used to get the chauffeur to collect bacon sarnies but only when the director's wife wasn't within 10 miles. I have also been in a hotel and witnessed the soft drink being livened up :-D

But hey appearances were kept up amongst their family and friends ;-)

I err all the time, that's a lovely way of intimating sin :-D

if they were to be totally honest, i agree 100 %
although there are many who would deny it!

having said that, i'm not too sure about the muslims and drink and the jew and kosher food ...although im sure there will be some infringement somewhere. To err is to be human.

:-)

Hmmmmmm

I have yet to meet:

Anyone of the Jewish faith who doesn't eat a non kosher food
Anyone of the Muslim faith who doesn't have a drink now and then
Anyone of the RC faith who hasn't practised birth control by one means or another
Anyone of the Anglican faith who hasn't broken one of the 10 commandments
A Jehova's Witness who hasn't been out unchaperoned.

I absolutely cannot perceive anybody absolutely following their faith's doctrines to the letter unless they have withdrawn from society.

Off topic a bit but I thought I'd muse :-D

Actually. this thread was put up as an alternative view to the bits of worship that are deemed to be perfectly acceptable. If it makes some people uncomfortable to look at the bits of the good book that are -shall we say - less than palatable, then thats sad, but such is life. Its not my book. I didnt write it. Its either gods word or it isn't.

You see, it isn't ridicule. That is always the cry of the religious apologist - do not criticise, do not ridicule, you have no right, respect my faith, etc etc. Short answer - no. Religion has no more right to immunity from any of this than anything else has. Why should it have? Instead of accusing me of ridicule, why not tell me why religion has a get out of jail card when it comes to criticism?We can discuss that, by all means. But a blanket 'you cant say that about religion' is old fashioned and outdated. Yes I can, and yes I will!

Janet - you've lost me a bit. What proof are you talking about? And the whoosh bit - sorry for being slow, but Im a bit mystified....

:-)

:-D

Eldrick's other thread was excellent as a subject for debate. I have seen this referred to by some as a subject for debate, but the word debate was not mentioned in Eldrick's first post. This thread was actually put up to ridicule and is a little bit mischievous. :-)

So did the Bible progress by ignoring the less pallatable bits then?

Pluto is the only dwarf planet to once have been considered a major planet. Once thought of as the ninth planet and the one most distant from the sun, Pluto is now seen as one of the largest known members of the Kuiper belt, a shadowy disk-like zone beyond the orbit of Neptune populated by a trillion or more comets. Pluto was reclassified as a dwarf planet in 2006, a change widely thought of as a demotion that has attracted controversy and ........

No doubt this will also get whooshed the same as the last bit of proof that you didn't want others to read.

"Reclassified" is that a euphemism for a mistake and as for being called a christian, I have been called some things in my time but thats a first. ........jl

Actually, you are sooooo wrong in your knowledge of both science and the bible. Pluto was re-classified as a dwarf planet after the discovery of the keiper belt. It was never wrongly called a planet ever.

Its not my book - its the bible. So here we have another christian denying the truth of the bible! Praise the lord!

lol

It cracks me up! Would you like me to quote some of the nasty bits from the new testament? Or have they been 'renovated' as well? lololololol

I may be wrong, but I dont recall the OT being taken out of the bible, nor do I recall the Archybishopy chappy from canterburyshire ever saying that the bits we didnt like were alright to ignore. Its either your bible or it isnt, lol. You can't have it all ways!

It is, however, a typical argument from believers - we atheists call it cherry picking.

Its not long since that a statement acknowledged that the scientists got it wrong regarding the planet Pluto and justified the mistake by words to the effect that science progresses and that was why we are now communicating by computers- because of the work of scientists. The bible too progressed and the words which RR quoted are an example of this. To keep quoting the old chestnuts from the old testament is like saying the earth is still flat in scientific terms. -jl

Oh, I don't know.......it could be very enlightening!

But I fear we will have to keep the chair legs covered and continue to refer to white and dark meat for fear of offending :-( :-( :-(

I have a feeling that if we follow your suggestion in the light of this thread Rose that could open up a whole new can of worms :-(

Best not go there Eh!