General Chat

we in this country have opened the floodgates andare allowing anybody to come here..people are coming in getting benifits and then bringing their entire familys here to live on the state and people dont like it..i agree that black people and asian people are mostly 2nd and 3rd generation so have a right to be here and i dont think these riots were racial or political, its just greed and morons thinking that this country owes them something,and as for poor,teenagersdressed from head to toe in designer clothes?sorry that doesnt wash with me.ive said before and i will say it again,whereare the parents?parentsare supposed to control their children. :-D

Unless his parents were also appearing. GM police have just released names and DOB (so there's no mistaken identity) of lots of men ages range from 19 to 48!

That mother is a fine example and such a contrast with Manchester court where an eleven year old was due to appear and the parents weren't even there.

Gwynne

Absolutely Ann, I'd have been mortified if that was my daughter. She showed such promise, but here is yet another career in tatters and nobody to blame but themselves.

TW it beggars belief. I have to say how I admire her mother. I also have to say I hope they throw the book at that young lady who should be a role model for other youngsters.

Bored underprivileged kids eh?

Read this..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024952/Olympic-ambassador-hurled-bricks-police-car-riots--reported-police-mum.html

Disciplining children isn't about hitting them.

I was never smacked and neither was my son and niether of us felt the urge to go out and riot.

I know from experience of working with just the sort of young people who were out rioting that they generally get smacked a lot by parents who can't be bothered to sit and explain the difference between right and wrong. Or what is acceptable or unacceptable behaviour. If smacking worked they wouldn't have been out there causing mayhem.

The reasons are many and complex. Note I said reasons, not excuses, there are no excuses for that sort of behaviour but there are reasons and we need to look at them and find solutions, or it will happen again and again.

Young people have suddenly found they have the power to cause mayhem and some of them will not be able to resist doing it again.

Gwynne

....so half were over 18!!!!

Just come up on the news over on twitter, from Sky news, you'll see it in a mo on ticker...

Met Police: Roughly half of 240 people who have appearedin court so far charged over London riots were under 18

It's certainly not my intent to get anyone removed from the site Rita, so I hope you will continue to post in future.I don't want to stifle 'debate'.

I have very rarely reported anything on this board, and then only when I have genuinely felt it warranted it. There have been many debates or comments that other people have reported that I would not have done.

Fully agree about the education system - comprehensives aren't 'for all' anymore, and league tables have ensured that the less academic are sidelined.
HOWEVER, I've come across quite a few children with the attitude that it's 'not cool' to accept education, and spent their time disrupting classes.

As for Peckham, my daughter went to University with a lovely girl who was born & brought up there.
Can you recall the Channel 4 'scene' that appears between programmes- where the number 4 appears. Well the one where there are nasty looking council flats - that looks a lot like where my daughter's friend lived.
I say lived, because after Uni, her father got cancer, and my daughter's friend went back to nurse him for 3 years. When he died, she wasn't allowed to stay inthe flat - and was heartbroken - she loved that place.

TBH, William,like many 'experts' - who have never experienced certain things, you are looking at other people's lives through your own eyes and imagining you know how they may be feeling. True, empathy is needed - but a bit of realism is also necessary, and true empathy for the 'underclass' isn't possible from a cosy suburban life. A life that not all people strive for, believe it or not.

I was a child of a service family an spent a vast amount of my childhood, because my mum refused to live in married quarters, living in a caravan.

According to 'experts' in education, children of servicemen, because they move around a lot are considered 'disruptive'. Children who travel the country in caravans are considered 'Travellers' - and are also 'disruptive'.
So, according to 'experts' me and my siblings should have been amongst the worst of pupils, and the least educated.
In those far off days, it must be remembered that there was no general curriculum, so we'd learn some facts about the Romans at one school, move,and find the next school half way through the Tudors!!!

We had a choice, decide it was too difficult, get bored, and disruptive, go with the flow and pick up what we could, or read up about it.
As most books were thrown out after being read(lack of space)we tended to go with the flow.

We HAD to go to school, so made the best of it.

Nowadays, there's very chance we would have been followed by social workers. I slept on a board and foam cushion placed over the (unplumbed-in) bath. Some night it was so cold the cat got into bed with me to keep warm, and I was covered with everyone's coats!!
All 4 of us children (2 boys and 2 girls) slept in the same area of the caravan until I was 7, my sister 11 and my brothers 13 & 14 - when we got a bigger caravan!!!

Many people at the time thought it was a disgusting way to live - no running water, outside chemical toilet etc.
We knew no different, even though we had lived in a very nice house before the caravans, that was just the way things were.

It did teach me one thing - You really shouldn't judge a book by it's cover!!!

Welcome to a stale and sterile board where we're only allowed to hear one side of any given debate !

*shakes head sadly*

Thats true Teresa - it was only duri g a chance conversation around the dinner table some years ago when I discovered that both iof my children had each been caned once during their school days. My cry of 'I never knew that' was responded to by 'if we had told you we would have been in trouble again'.

We DO need parents to take full responsibility for the behaviour of their children. When I was at school, if I got in trouble there, (not that I did much, just chattering in class or caught smoking) I'd also get a clip when I got home and sent to my room, no questions asked, so it was a double whammy.

These days, parents have a tendency to go marching into the school to have a go at the teachers when their kids have got a detention for misbehaving! Sure that's taking responsibility...NOT!

Children need structured, disciplined and organised home life, not left to do whatever the hell they like, roaming the streets like feral rats. ASBO's aren't the answer, they are proudly worn like a trophy now.

Thats very true, I think with some (Not All ) parents its a case of "Out Of Sight,Out Of Mind" plus of course there is the lack of self control. Also from what I have heard and seen ,the teaching in our schools is not very good, ( As in not making it Interesting for the Pupils) and they get bored.and when people get like that they jump at anything to distract them,sadly for some its the wrong way. :-S.**M**.

Thanks Uggers :-)

"Allow parents to chastise their children in the way they see fit."

Sue, I'll assume you're thinking about smacking with this bit. I know some parents, both m/c and w/c, who don't believe in smacking but do believe in discipline and teaching their children how to behave. I've known some parents who have no problems with smacking, or as Uggers has said belting their child, but cannot be bothered to teach them how to behave in the first place. They prefer them to be out of their way, playing somewhere, not really bothered what they are up to.

I like Terriers and Alsatians,so you keep on posting .I,ve got aq Very Very large Cat .He frightens all sorts of people,but he,s a Softie really. Take Care. :-D.**M**.

"Like a terrier with a rat " was one description of me Merlin :-0

but i am taking my passion off to cool for a while.

Hello again, Glad things have cooled a little, Rose you post what you feel you should,just as long as it does,nt get blitzed like the previous one,its good to read others viewpoint on this matter.(I bet your a little terror when you really get Passionate. ;-).I noticed lots of people talking about "Depravation",well they should go back a few years and take a look at what people put up with without Rioting and Looting. Back to Back Houses,Toilet in the Backyard,Bathing in a Tin Bath,No central Heating or Hotwater unless you boiled it in a Kettle .this was what people put up with untill the 50s/60s in a lot of places Tenements in Glasgow etc. Thats Depravation.Not what there is available now,plus plenty of handouts to all and sundry,with out I might Add The Means Test Which was applied then.So why the thieving ,Burning ,Rioting Etc.?, It seems to me that we have now got people of the calibre of I want, I will have even if it means stealing or assaulting others to get it.That has to stop,not as the Civil Servants Say, All in Due Course,But now. The police are undermand so call in the Army. preferably an Infantry regt. who have the ability of Riot Control,with water cannon etc..Please keep posting as it is Important that all peoples views are heard,as long as there is nothing nasty said to each other. Thanks.**M** :-D

Thankyou Uggers :-)