General Chat

Re Frank's comment( Cooper) I read "mother" to be a woman who had miscarried but wouldn't be a mother unless she had children at another time. It is possible to have a miscarriage and not know that you are pregnant- married or otherwise.
As for telling everyone in the hall of a potential miscarriage, spiritualism is about the passing of a person.Most mediums I have ever met have always said to their intended member of the congregation 'May I come to you' that person has the opportunity to say 'no thank you'.If a medium is giving a description of someone who has passed and you don't want to 'take it' there is nothing to make you accept the interpretation of their message. If you are given information, no matter what that information is, it is your choice as to whether you think it is relevant or not.-jl

just on my way out Chris ( of the house lol not life , touchwood!) so just quickly...the Irish side of my family seems to be the predominant one in terms of temperament and looks and that seems to be the side where the more 'spiritual' experiences have been.

I think there is a Celtic 'affinity' with the 'supernatural' for want of time to think of a better way of putting it. Maybe I'd put it down to the old races being in touch with nature and patterns of existence?

Having lived in the IOM I can certainly appreciate the importance of their folk lore .

sorry got to go, this is a really interesting topic though :)

I have Irish genes Chris

I need to read up more on that theory

What about anyone else?

Amongst those of us who have experienced 'unexplained events etc' - how many have Celtic/Gaelic genes?

As I said earlier I have, two manx gparents, 1 irish and 1 scots. That is some mix but I blame the manx line!

Mick - you say I hadn't seen my gran for 11 years - I couldn't as I told you she was DEAD. She died when I was a child, never even visited the country I was living in then and she did not walk out of my house - just was there, looked at me, pursed her lips and was gone!

I asked for a reason - you can't give me one - there isn't one. I have looked for a logical reason for over 50 years!

Margot - I mentioned the Celtic genes

I when to a medium for the first time last year and he told me things that i had not told anyone. He also told me how my dad died. In November i saw the medium again and he told me i need to let my dad go.When my dad died he had not been in touch with me for 18mths was told that he is sorry and that he can not go until i let him go. The other thing that the medium told me about is this i often will say to my OH who was at the door and he will reply that there was no one at the door but i have seen someone walk up our drive. OH did not belive me until our 4year grandson said but grandad someone did come up the drive i saw them too

Why type "mother" Frank?, I have Children so I think that makes me one.
My Husband did know about the pregnacy and miscarrage as well,

Teresa

The stuff on the blog is hardly new.

Sue

Just read the Blog nothing new there ....
there has been threads on GR with E views on the subject
so not worth the read
Do I believe ..... I really don't know if there is a spirit world but I would like to think there is
Jenxx

PS I knew E wouldn't miss the chance lolol, bless him, he will doubtless have made a compelling, superbly written and interesting argument...which is great, if one can survive such a hefty dose of logic, scientific knowledge and rationality at its best...with your own opinion intact, then one really DOES have grounds to trust ones judgement on the matter. :)

No one has to believe, it won't make a ha'pporth of difference to either side what the other thinks, approach all strange experiences with scepticism but not a closed mind :)

Here's a little story lol, one night a woman is sitting alone n a house, she knows it like the back of her hand, there are no neighbours close enough to hear. She sits browsing the threads on a genealogy site. It is a quiet night outdoors, the tv is off.

Suddenly a voice comes from close behind her back ( the desk faces the wall, she has her back to the door) she whirls round in shock to see....no one. Will she think it is the presence of her late mother,father. gt aunt bessie? OR will she look for the explanation on the earthly plain of logic and exploration of all the possibilities?

She might like to believe it is someone bring solace so does she just accept it is a ghostly voice and chalk it down to add to other experiences? or does she eliminate it asap so that the 'real' experiences have absolute validity for her?

Just the man we need at a moment like this!

Uncle Eldrick has a new blog on this very subject!
(What a coincidence!)

http://woobuster.blogspot.com/


How I wish I had his way with words!


xxxxxx mick

Chris - regarding your grandmother, apart from mental illness, which I am not in any way qualified to diagnoze, any number of logical explantions come to mind-

-the old lady was a (living human visitor) to the house
-an old lady with alzheimers had wandered in off the street into the wrong house

(just two off the top of my head)

-any old lady who had a passing resemblence to your granny, who you had not seen for 11 years.

Google - "occams razor" -there are always simpler more logical answers
to these sort of happenings.


xxxxxx mick

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Ahhhh -Some interesting points come up!

As always on GR we have the “Ad Hominem” reprise.
What we in OZ would call “Playing the man and not the ball”.

“Can't we just respect everyone's beliefs and opinions”-
Let’s just follow this logically for a while –
Some religious extremists sincerely believe I should be beheaded or blown up - Do I respect their beliefs?

Paedophiles sincerely believe they have the right to have sex with children-
Do I respect their beliefs?

No! So I am afraid I do not respect the beliefs of Woo merchants or Religionists either, as I think their beliefs are superstitious nonsense!

“Nothing is tosh if someone believes in it..” - well, that opens the door to a world where anything and everything is possible. I don’t think I would want to live in that world!

Just some random thoughts.

Have fun!



Xxxxx mick

OK

explain this one then


We bought our house in 1972 ............... it was built between 1943 and 1945. Title searches here don't necessarily give the name of previous occupants, so we don't know how many previous owners there had been. We bought it from a married couple, a few years older than us, and childless. They had apparently owned the house for about 3 years, according to neigbours, although the real estate agent had told us they ahd lived here for more than 5 years..

We were sitting at the dining table a month or so after moving in, I was facing the door into the kitchen, OH was to my left, between me and the door. I was in the middle of saying something to him when a lady walked through the kitchen door.

She was in her 60s, wore a somewhat old fashioned long skirt and blouse, and a bib apron. Her hair was grey and up in some sort of bun. She was wiping her hands on her apron ........... and the whole attitude was of a hostess coming in to check that the food she had prepared was to our satisfaction. She turned and ........ disappeared.

OH looked up as I stopped talking, something in my face made him turn and look towards the door ............. but there was nothing there for him to see.

I was left with the feeling that she had come to check us out, and was satisfied.

Later we heard that the house had been owned around 1965 or so by 2 women teachers, possibly a couple. Neighbours told us one of the ladies had committed suicide by shutting herself in a car and using the exhaust. There were 2 stories of where this happened ........ one was that it had happened in either the garage or carport of the house


About a year after this, we had a dinner party and invited 2 couples. One of the men brought his fairly new girl friend who we had never met before. The girl friend was in her mid-20s but hardly spoke from the moment she arrived until about an hour after dinner ...... about 3 hours in total. Then something was said about ghosts, and OH told the story above. The young woman showed more interest. Then we mentioned about the schoolteachers


Yuou can guess what I'm going to say!


She had been taught by these schoolteachers, and had been particularly close to one of them She had often visited them in their house .............. and had been stunned when they walked up the garden path.


and, yes, the description of my lady fitted that of the teacher she liked, and she was the one who had committed suicide.





We have had no further visitations




sylvia

chrisofwessex you make an interesting point.

"There are those amongst us in who this sense remains,some who have an odd glimmer from time to time,and those who have been left with nothing."

Wise words,and very true.I'm in the "odd glimmer from time to time" camp,
which can be distressing at times,because I don't always understand why I'm seeing or experiencing these things.

I feel very sorry for anyone who genuinely has this gift,and can't turn it off and step back away from it.

To the person who said about people of Celtic or Gaelic ancestry-a psychic once told me that my family went right back to the Vikings,and then the Normans,and I know that I have Celtic and Gaelic in there as well.
(English, Scottish, Irish,now 5th generation Australian.)

The Celts were supposed to have the gift of "second sight" , weren't they?

All I know is I have asked both GA and Mick to give me a reason for my experiences, I would love to have a logical explanation.

I agree with SueMaid's comments.

I am perfectly happy to accept that there are usually very obvious and scientifically provable answers to most 'strange' occurences. and would be looking at those first. If I can't find an obvious one, I'd be likely to ask a sceptic for their opinion before anyone else lol. If neither I nor they could explain it away then I think it's fair to consider a 'supernatural' answer.

I would say that though no definitively proven 'ghost' photo has been taken ( well not to my knowledge?) that could be because the people who see 'something' are not always or possibly usually, the ones who 'go looking' armed with a camera, temperature gauges etc lol

...anyone who has watched some of the awful, awful 'ghost hunt' programmes on satellite would be fully entitled to pour the greatest amount of scorn possible on the ridiculous 'ooh did you hear that?!! and subsequent squealy women that I would hate to be around...living or dead lol.

Off to bed now as I have work tomorrow


Night all

GA; Ginny, don't know you from Adam. But I think you need to respect other peoples points of view before spitting your dummy out and getting out your pram!!


I'll remember that and take heed