General Chat

No probs Sue:)

10 yrs is a bit of difference tho ! lol You and I knew but others may not have,

I wish them all the best, my beloved dad was in his 40's when I was born, he died 2 weeks off his 91st birthday.

Interesting thread :)

Sandie.x

It's my opinion Mildred NOT yours. Seems to me you want everyone to agree with you. Dictatorship - you obviously do not agree with freedom of speech. Wot a sad person you are

Thanks for your input folks, interesting reading.
Sandie, I did realise, thanks, noted and amended.:>))

I have friends Ronald, their sexual orientation doesn't come into it.

I don't care if your opinion is honest, its rude, & homophobic & uncalled for..

Not for us to judge - although other people's opinions are always interesting. Their age is my only concern but having said that - better two parents who want and love their child than an unhappy childhood with 'conventional' parents who live a bitter and loveless life.

Sue

Mildred - everyone is entitled to an opinion. Mine is honest and represents what I think of the situation. Seems to me your comment means that anyone who doesn't agree with you shouldn't be allowed to oppose a situation. Freedom of speech not so much of it in this country these days. Oh aye, one of my friends is gay

Thank you for that Uggers.

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Harry, you're ill-informed. Laws about adoption by same sex couples were brought in about five years ago.

This isn't adoption - it's surrogacy and has been happening for years.

Kay,

And in 1927 they envisaged two males adopting children? The gates were opened just yesterday and many other cases will follow, human rights etc.
Would think that is a fact whether you are for or against. the precedent has been setand their is no going back.

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Elton &David have the outlook of a much younger people and live in circles where everything is accepted,,,Zac will have more female company than he needs and his parents of who they are wont one iota influence Zacs own sexual preference when of age.


I think its better that a child is brought up with two same sex parents from the outset than it get to a teenager when a parent announces they are gay and leaves.!

Children in hetrosexual relationships can have a rotten abusive time.

Its not just to love a child,,but unconditional love thats the most important in any child life.

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Harry the gates were legally opened in 1927 when they allowed legal adoptions to loving sexual abusive males.!!

I am sure that the couple have many female friends who will become female role models if needed. The child is much wanted and will be much loved that is the important thing, then there will be the money which will give him a good life, not as important as love and security but it helps a lot.

Sue, no offence taken, My Grandma was a "Stalwart" among Women,she,s been dead for a long time and I still miss her .**M**.

Thank you Janet. RR - i suggest it is a downward spiral because like every 'liberal' concept in the last fifty years it has some merit in itself, but all taken together have led to a downturn in our lives as i see it. (prisons; schools and the like)

This cannot be taken as a one off but will be used as precedent by many others. and will be gradually and certainly taken to extremes. Once a door is opened, it will never be closed again.

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My mother was 37 when she had me, at 48 I can remember her playing rounders with me in the fields, at 58 she took up ballroom dancing again and won medals, she worked, she walked everywhere at great speed, for miles and miles lol...I could never match her for that even in my 20s.

Children are ALWAYS embarrassed by their mothers and or fathers at some point, I remember my brother saying my mum should not buy false eyelashes ( age 48 but she looked 35) ... children are like that, especially in front of other children ...if they can't deal with having an older parent tough lol, there's much worse waiting out there to deal with.

Better to have a decent parent for 20/30 years than a rotten one for 60? I think so.

Only a few weeks ago OH was relating from his childhood, he was an only child and his mother was in her thirties (as many are now) however when he was only 2 yrs old she lost her leg in an accident. He said he used to feel embarassed by the difference in his mum and all the younger mothers wearing high heels etc that his friends had. She not only seemed older but was older.

Their sexuality does not worry me but as I said in my posting earlier on this thread - the age. Although I have read in the papers since that David is 48 not 58.

I used to work with a young girl who was about 17/18. Her mother was in her late thirties but her father was nearer 70 and this did embarrass her - I know because she confided in me.

Thank you all, some interesting and varied opinions here.:>)))

I have to agree with you Harry.
Old parents can be brilliant, but I know how I felt that my mother had me late in life. What it was to be brought up with no-one of a similar age in the family. Don't get me wrong I loved my mum and when I had my own children she became a different person in my eyes because we finally had something to bond us. I remember a neighbours child where her father was quite ancient and the child used to ask him to drop her off before she got to school because she didn't want her schoolfriends seeing her retired father. This was before she went to grammar school so she wasn't even eleven. I also have same sex friends with a child and know that they have been subjected to harrassment from older children because of their situation and a nicer couple you couldn't wish to meet. There are many problems in this world which we all have to deal with as they arrive but possibly creating one is the dilemma. .....When I see a bird making a nest prior to having its young I always feel that as humans we could all learn lessons.-jl

Harry, the door is already open surely?

I can't see that it is in any way a 'downward spiral' to have two parents who wish to raise a child , with love presumably, and have reached that decision and had to think about it and actively 'work at it', as opposed to the 'old fashioned way' of a man and woman who may not want a child but want the bit that goes before conception with heedless abandon lol.

There are so many children of the conventional family...mother and father...who lead miserable lives, some do not survive. That is the 'downward spiral' in society, it began long before surrogacy was an option that's for sure...it's fueled by selfishness and greed, ignorance and anger at the real or perceived injustices of life maybe.

I admit to being old fashioned, but if asked to jump one way, I'd say it's fundamentally wrong.
I know the child will have many benefits, but it opens the door to others and I think it is yet another step in what I see as a downward spiral. in society.

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I do have a few concerns about their ages but that is my only concern.

Thousands of children are living in homes with same sex parents and studies show they differ not a scrap from children raised by heterosexual couples. I'm sure little Zac will find different names for his 2 dads as I did for my 2 grandfathers.

All children get teased in school - kids will always find something that marks a child as different - if it turns to bullying I'm sure their teachers will deal with it.

Children are given letter to be signed by a parent or guardian no teacher specifies an individual who has to sign it. Many children live in homes with other than those with 2 natural parents, it's not a rarity. There are fostered children, one parent familes and step families - difficult to define what is "normal".

As long as they are shielded from the ignorance of others and have issues explained as they arise they will be fine. If they have 2 parents who love them then they have a lot more than some children.

Gwynne