General Chat

Everyone in my family keep reminding me how my daughter will be the first one in my family to get a degree. But somehow someone just keeps moving the goalposts.
I will help her as much as i can but it's not easy to watch someone you love so much having too put themselves in such great debt.
her work literally pays for her college costs and travelling only.
But she really does value the costs and this will help her in life.
but her future debt may pull her back i guess.

Janet I'm reminded of the words of the song;Its the rich that gets the pleasure and the poor that gets the blame.Its the same the whole world over,isn't it a blooming shame!

Regards
William Russell Jones.

It's very difficult William, well organised mass protests can be infiltrated by both ends of the polictical spectrum. and those groups can destabalise real good meaning.
But i'm totally with what you are saying.
maybe if we lived in london my children may well have been there too.

Jandee,

Interesting debate!
We are also subsidising the Scots and the Welsh!
Incidentally, when I was at Uni. (many,many years ago) the children of millionaires were getting full grants, because mummy and daddy had
"pet accountants"
The same thing is still happening. The millionaires won'tI have to pay the full £9,000, I can guarantee that!

I agree Brian we can lend to another country that bombed us in the past and we cant help our own

Of course the argument won't be won on the streets Brian,the government though must realise that they can only govern by consent.Setting out to alienate large sections of the population including those most vulnerable is not merely unadviseable its doomed to fail.


Regards
William Russell Jones.

My daughter has to do both, work and college and then uni, but that only makes her stronger. She deffinately hasn't even got the time or money to spend to go to london and protest.
And i'm not sure how others do.

I feel sorry for the real students who do have to work hard at uni/college and still have to work to fund it.
And yeah i do feel so sorry for the police who are put in the middle and get hurt.
It just smacks of something is wrong. I do hope the PM has a bit of a u turn but i'm not really sure that is realistic..

I am all for protesting, as long as it is "peaceful".......but raging an attack on the future King of England & his wife!!...........

I suppose when the young people see the goverment throw 7 billion at irelands debt.
They feel a little sick that the goverment aren't prepaired to slice .5 billion off and use that to fund education.
especially when most people in ireland did not want this country to do so.
This argument wont be won on the streets

Next time we should just the let the protesters go where they want that should be well interesting

As far as protest and demonstrations are concerned.

At a time when people see their opportunnities and lifechances under threat from this government what we have seen up to now is merely the tip of the iceberg.

Everything that represents power and privilege will be considered fair game.

When this coalition government was being formed a sizeable chunk(30%) of the people who voted for one of the major parties of the day were entirely ignored.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

The tactic of surrounding protestors and cutting off escape routes -- for those not remotely interested in confrontations with the police, who just want to get out of the way, including bystanders -- was used in Toronto at the G20.

It was condemned there as well.

This is a tactic that police *know* is virtually guaranteed to result in bad things.

To also charge at the people who have been trapped that way on horses, that's absolutely reprehensible.

I'm afraid the use of the horses to charge at people in confined spaces is completely reprehensible.It was guaranteed to get a response from the demonstrators.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

most of our police do a dam good job

ChAoTic
Did you see the Police officer dragged from his horse and trod on by his horse?

I like to see you cope with having bricks thrown at you.

Can we stop the backbiting now please as getting personal is ruining what was a civilized debate.

Ah, Uggers, I know you aren't bothered.

That's kind of the entire problem, isn't it?

People who just aren't bothered when they don't ... um ... represent reality accurately.

Yes Uggers,in the case of Cameron,Osborne and Clegg,this is in spite of their priveliged background and education!

Maybe they will lay the blame listening to this or that focus group or think tank.lol

Maybe they should get some experience of real life and come and live with me on this council estate!

Regards
William Russell Jones.

They sure aren't, William.

I was asking you, Janey, because your "but" in replying to me suggested I had done - otherwise it would have been rather pointless. I thought this was a discussion but as usual you can't resist getting personal. Go and lecture someone who's more likely to be bothered.