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JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 17 Apr 2010 00:14

And another vote for the side of right; comment by "born southerner" reported with the rest. ;)

Susan10146857

Susan10146857 Report 17 Apr 2010 00:13

lose the 'between' lol

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 17 Apr 2010 00:12

I'm a born 'southerner', and live there now. I use the expression 'back and forth', but having travelled around a lot in my 'youf' also use 'to and fro', this way & that' etc.

I also use the expressions 'outwith' and 'last evening', which if memory serves me right, I picked up in the Shetlands!

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 17 Apr 2010 00:12

"a fog of illiteracy and undo-able crosswords"

Good one. ;)


My doc told me the other day that her youngest child has not been taught cursive handwriting in school -- and can't read it.

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 17 Apr 2010 00:12

I'm a born 'southerner', and live there now. I use the expression 'back and forth', but having travelled around a lot in my 'youf' also use 'to and fro', this way & that' etc.

I also use the expressions 'outwith' and 'last evening', which if memory serves me right, I picked up in the Shetlands!

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 17 Apr 2010 00:11

See, that's funny -- because to a North American, "to and fro" sounds downright *silly*. ;)

People would laugh at you if you said it out loud, and if you used in writing they'd assume you fancied yourself Jane Austen, I think!

Okay, not quite so much -- I've heard people say "to and fro", but I don't think I'd ever say it myself.

Besides, with mine, you just have to say "back and forth to the bathroom". With yours, you have to say "to and fro to the bathroom" or some danged thing, and that just gets unwieldy. ;)

And in fact, the original question was about "back and forth *between* the kitchen and the living room". Lounge, if you prefer.

"To and fro between the kitchen and the lounge"? Tell me that ain't weird.

Susan10146857

Susan10146857 Report 17 Apr 2010 00:04

I will agree that back and forth is slightly more formal than to and fro.

I use them both being from North and South. I am more formal when I write, so back and forth would be the phrase to use...or if I am in a meeting :-))...this could go on and on lol...definitely repeated.

Backwards and forwards...To and from


There will be no-one left soon yer know....no-one to tell anyone what anything used to mean....there will just be a fog of illiteracy and undo-able crosswords :-(((

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 17 Apr 2010 00:00

Maybe that's the part I didn't make completely clear -- it's a *repeated* coming and going that we have here.

You wouldn't really say, if you got up and went to the kitchen to get a spoon and came back and said down, that you'd gone back and forth. Especially because, as someone pointed out at the other site, you've really gone *forth and back*. ;)

Up and down all night to the bathroom, yes. Especially up and down all night to the baby. I wouldn't say back and forth to the baby. ;) But that's because you were down and you got up, hm.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 16 Apr 2010 23:56

Its regional sayings...

back and forth would be used for,,,in some parts but there and back in others,,,,,

to and fro,on a swing
there and back for journey,
back and forth as in pacing the floor in a maturnity ward,:}}
in and out ,as in from room to room or pub crawl......:}

then there up an down,as in in out of bed all night at the loo if you've eaten bad fish,:}}}}}}}}}

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 16 Apr 2010 23:55

Nuh uh!

What I think is that when people see it written down, they think "set forth", "sally forth", "and so forth" ... ew, weird.

But they probably say it a lot more than they think. ;)


Other than that, with Australia and Canada definitely on board, and the US at the other site, I think what we have is a centuries-old turn of phrase (apparently it dates from 1605-1615) that may have fallen out of use in England, but is alive and kicking in the colonies!

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 16 Apr 2010 23:50

Really?? !!! Well I never! lol Must have been reading a period novel about that time :-)

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 16 Apr 2010 23:46

HAH, DET.

You were one of the people my search found saying "back and forth". Hah.

(It was "switch back and forth" between windows on the monitor, I believe.)

MrDaff

MrDaff Report 16 Apr 2010 23:45

nope.... I say Back and for....... forget about the th

to and fro is good, though... or in and out... it sort of depends what you are doing..... pacing the floor is back and for... or to and fro

so is getting stuff in and out of a car....... to the house for instance.

I go back and for Chat and General.......

But I would write back and forth.... and haven't a clue why! It feels sort of Queen's English!

And now I am off to bed.... sorry, lolol

Love

Daff xxxx

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 16 Apr 2010 23:44

I DONT USE EITHER
IF ANYTHING
BACK AND FORWARD
SORRY IM UNEDUCATED SOB SOB SOB

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 16 Apr 2010 23:43

I'd go with TeresaW's 'backwards and forwards' orally as well as Dizzi's 'in and out' informally ie if the offspring (or OH!) can't make their minds up which room they want to be in. . But then I'm a Southerner.

Back and forth is slightly dated.
edit - so NO, not in 2010

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 16 Apr 2010 23:43

Well this is just appalling, people taking advantage of my thread to say any old thing about any old thing. Siiiigh.


"Back and forth":

___ yes

___ no

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 16 Apr 2010 23:42

I'm a Southerner, but sometimes use 'back and forth' when indicating a repeated action, rather than a one-off visit somewhere.

Gwyn

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 16 Apr 2010 23:40

Yes, BR, a couple of us did mock her with "to and fro".

But I need you too! Be *serious* now!

Be honest, if you think "back and forth" is "antiquated" and pompous, say so!

In that case it *will* be a transatlantic difference, because here, "back and forth" is something any old person would say any old day.

Especially if they ate some bad fish before going to bed. ;)

TeresaW

TeresaW Report 16 Apr 2010 23:39

Yes budgie, to and fro is another one, though I do say, to'ing and fro'ing lol

Berona

Berona Report 16 Apr 2010 23:38

After an undefined 'turn', I have been going back and forth to my GP and specialists. It is a very common phrase here in Oz, used by everyone.