General Chat

LisaJJ:


"It is the Soldier, not the reporter
Who has given us freedom of the press."


There is a subject matter here, you see. Address it if you like.

like a teenage boy rapes a 5yr old!

ukkk humm!
wots the difference soldiers/human beings

You made everything plain quite a while ago, Little Buglar. I'm not referring to this thread. You have no respect for anyone who disagrees with you, and your response to people disagreeing with you is to suppress their words. That's what you did to mine.

I'll say what I think to anyone who wants to listen. I have contempt for anyone involved in the action against Iraq. That includes anyone who voted for the governments that sent their militaries there.

That would include myself, if I were in the UK. Because I would almost certainly have voted Labour. So I'd pity anyone who felt they had no choice but to vote Labour, I guess. As I pity anyone who felt they had no choice but to join the military and get sent to Iraq.

One can abstain from voting; whether that's a good choice or not, dunno, would depend on the circumstances. One can also abstain from going to Iraq; whether one has the resources one needs to be able to make that choice also depends on the circumstances.

I'm capable of feeling contempt and pity and other things at the same time in a situation. I could feel respect for a soldier who, say, rescued a child from death in Iraq, while still feeling contempt and/or pity for the soldier for being there in the first place.

Just as I can feel respect for a soldier who fought at great personal risk, for honourable reasons, to liberate the Netherlands, say, while feeling contempt and hatred for him when he subsequently assaulted a member of the civilian population after the liberation.

People aren't all good or all bad. My feelings and opinions about them are no more all positive or all negative.

Eric Blair did much good. He was also an informant. Go figure, eh?


Now how about YOU address the subject matter at hand: the tripe that my entire commentary was about?

RAF Lyneham - Janey you don't know what it is!!!! I'm surprised (I thought you googled for Canada).

"and you accused soldiers this morning of being rapists and murders"

There are soldiers who have raped and murdered in war. Take the war in Bosnia for example. Janey never actually said it was UK soldiers.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_Bosnian_War

maybe what its trying to tell you here janey
is that with out soldiers puting their lives down in wars against dictators, you wouldnt hav eyour freedom to sit and type
to sit and protest
to sit and say what ever you want

your life would be monitered and dictated
you may be living under german dictatorship had men not put down their lives for you

you may not be able to go traveling at will without soldiers willing to protect your land , protect your freedom
just a hunch but maybe that what the poem saying

one of my mates is a nco, lives yorkshire now but stiil goes out
to afghan! he,s medical core, he always make sure they got equipment there an ready before troops go out! unlike goverment who jus sends em out!
now other mate is 28 an been there for 10 yrs!
janey needs to chat wiv him!!

you dont want personal attacks
but you attack me
saying my thread was incoherant

and you accused soldiers this morning of being rapists and murders

Janey, there isnt anything "funny" about men and women in our armed forces being out there fighting, doing their jobs and losing their lives in the process...

your freedom of speech!

do ya live in this world! or u on another planet!
these guys fight for us! or are you so alien you forgot about it!

What's Lyneham? I haven't a clue, and can't be bothered googling.

You appear to be implying I am a coward. Isn't that charming.

No personal attacks here, folks.

Anybody noticed any in any of my posts?

Little Buglar, shall I tell you again?

I was fighting against the despot Saddam Hussein two decades before any of your military did. As a, gasp, lawyer, one of those useless dishonourable blots on society. Representing refugees from his persecution. Devoting my time and work, at no or very little charge, to saving people from being sent back to be dealt with as he wished.

You know, back when the US was arming him.

you never pointed out the good done by any soldiers,

you only said you have contempt for all of them

maybe ill get some help in understanding the difference in the way i interpret what you said
and how you meant it then
cos even though you explain
it still looks same to me

soldiers being uneducated!!!!

Well, you see, one person who has joined the discussion has hated me for over two years now. Just on general principle I think, although calling it principle might be a little high-falutin. Another hates me particularly because of my views about the deification of the military as expressed in the past.

What Staffordshire Col imagines the opinions of any member of the US or UK or another country's military, about me or my opinions, matters to me, I wouldn't know. How he knows it would also be a mystery to me.

It just keeps striking me as funny, though. They're out there fighting for my freedom of speech .......... aren't they??

Thank you Jill for those wise words. I really am going to leave it now and hope it is still here when I return. Thanks to everyone for their input so far, it is good to have a debate thread even if we don't all agree which is what debating is all about.

well janey

next time your going on a train or in a huge shoppin centre and a suspicious package is left lying ready in a bin to explode and blow your legs and arms off, if that is you survive the attack
maybe you remember what these men and women are trying to stop

next time you see some drug fuelled idiot out of his head on crack
youll think hmm them soldiers are trying to stop the supply of that stuff flooding this country,
cos thats where its comeing from,
but then if you know international stuff youll know that wont
you

how dare you say you hold contempt for those men doing a job like that
many of whoich actually may save your life in a hospital in britain one day
cos some of them do that too for their job, and also go to afghanistan to help over their

Well, this has been one of the most interesting threads I've read in a long time on these boards! Please let it stay for a while longer.

I do think though that attacking Janey for her opinion is not the correct way for the thread to go. By all means disagree with her, that's healthy debating and we need more of it here, but please do not make it personal.

Just because someone has an opinion that differs from your opinion does not make that person wrong and does not invalidate their opinion.

Please consider this. What I personally think about anyone is my business and not their business. That is true for all of us. It therefore follows that what I think about something - war, religion, politics, fashion, TV, literary criticism (the list is endless) is my business. I am perfectly happy for people to disagree with me. Perfectly happy for people to have a different view on something. But, I am not happy if they insult me because of my view or opinion.

Therefore, please do not let this thread degenerate into some personal slanging match. That's not what Janey intended in her original thread and not what the poster of this thread intended either.

This is of course just my opinion - and as stated above I do not care what any of you think of it - just don't all shout at once!

Jill

"you say people who have very little idea of politics or international ideas become soldiers"

No, Julie Ann, and you will forgive my emphasis: I DID NOT SAY THAT.

One tihng I said was:

"Young people with no opportunities in life and little exposure to ideas about politics and international affairs often become soldiers"

If you are pretending that means that ALL people who join the military have no opportunities and little exposure to ideas, you're failing to convince.

The rest of your post is mainly incoherent, but let me sort you out on one thing.

I am an atheist. I abhor much of what is done in the name of religion and despise the adherents of religions who do it.

I recognize the good that has been done by some, many, clergy in the world just as I recognize the good that has been done by some, many, soldiers.

cat i dont disagree!
they got a bad rep but you cant say that about them all!!