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Nuff said.

Ok are we all happy now? :)) lol

Nothing wrong with blowing off a bit of steam now and again.


Marion

Annina,

Im so sorry about your sister, I do understand how this illness can be and 56 is very young.
I understand how you must be feeling,My Grandmother had this awful illness.

Im glad your cats are ok:-)) what I said about cats on my post was actually T.I.C(Tongue In cheek) Forgive my silliness.

Lets forget whats been said,we all get bad days, for what its worth I too was probably a little Hormonal:-))

Annina,

For my part your apology is accepted. I really do understand that when awful things are happening in our own real world how difficult it is to have patience on these boards sometimes with trivia.

Can't say anything that will help you through this terrible time but can only offer my sympathy.

Jean x.

I think that after "Anninas" apology,the thread should now Die a natural death,and be buried.Thats just my opinion of course.MJ.is dead,let the thread go with him.**M**.

Oh dear, what have I started?

Please accept my apologies for upsetting you all by what I said. I dont retract my feelings, but I could have been more tactfull.

perhaps if I explain why I was in such filthy mood it will help heal any ill feeling between you all, though I still don't care much what you think of me.

Last week I spent a few days visiting my younger sister, who is only 56 and in the last stages of Altzeimers disease,and dosn't know anybody.

It couldn't happn to a less deserving person than her. She is a loving,generous beautiful person who wouldn't hust a fly.Much nicer than me, in fact.


Then every time I buy a paper, or switchon the telly all week, we MJ ad nausium.That is why I was less than tactful and once again, apologise for causing Ill feeling amongst you all

Please accept , and by the way, my cats are OK,I havn't throttled them today!!

My apologies to Shirl for deviating from the original subject. I just hate to see people given an ugly label without proof.

Yes, Shirl, I too, felt very sorry for Paris. Perhaps they should not have left her speech until last because she looked composed earlier as each person went up onto the stage and spoke - then, when it was her turn, her uncles and aunts were all crowded around her and it looked like she almost had to fight her way to the mike in order to say what she had to say and I felt that it all hit her at once. Don't mind admitting that I wiped a few tears away myself.

LOL...well I hope it came across politely, it wasn't meant as an attack.

I think you've had a telling off, Rox lol

Mildred, I did say I thought she could have put her view across more tactfully, but she is entitled to a viewpoint anyway.

Had the point been argued properly instead of resorting to personal insult, it might have been the only problem on the thread.

I'll say no more about it. I do feel for the family though. Having watched Jermaine on Big Brother a couple of years ago, what comes clear above all else is what a close-knit and supportive family they all are, in spite of what they went through in their early years with an abusive father. For any family to suddenly lose someone prematurely is bad enough, but for a family as close as that (and let's be truthful, we don't all have that privilege), it would be absolutely devastating.

Good work everyone!

Another classic GR Chat "debate"!


xxxxxxx mick

Teresa

Sadly this thread turned when Annina posted her deeply disrespectful post :o(((

Up until then it was fine and civilised, and in keeping with the nature of the first post.

This thread was about a mans funeral, a fellow human being, however odd he lived his life. His family are grieving, thats no show but the reality of it all. His kids have lost their father

It was bang out of order for Annina to turn the thread with her hate filled venomous rantings which bore no referance to this thread.

I dont agree with the following name calling either, but i can understand such a flame baiting post encouraged them :o((.

My opinion ?,

I dont think he did it, I think he was accused because of the greed for his money.

This is only my opinion, but its not proven, but neither is Anninas opinion proven, the differance is, Anninas opinion was put over in a pretty disgusting way and mine isn't.

What is proven is this thread isnt the time or place for either of our opinions on the MJ case, its about a human beings funeral, and the distress of those he loved and who loved him.

I watched it all and thought it was put together beautifully. I feel for his children and his family.

One thing I have noticed reading through this is that the issue of wether or not he was guilty has been talked about, the fact that he was a great entertainer has been talked about and the fact that he was a father has been talked about. But no one has mentioned the charity work he done his dangerous tour in 1992-93 all profits from that tour went to charity.

Wether you like him or not he did change the music industry in some ways and he had and always will have fans world wide.

Well, having just read this thread through, I'm a little shocked at the reaction. Annina is entitled to her view, though I do think she could have been a little more tactful, but it's her view nonetheless. I don't agree with it, I'm in the 'don't know' camp, because all we hear about is what the press sensationalise for us.

However, the reaction to those statements, with personal insults and accusations was totally uncalled for and un-necessary, and it is that which brought this thread down.

Argue the point by all means, but if you are not capable of reasoned intelligent argument, then better to say nothing, rather than resort to personal insult. It only makes you look silly.

As for the subject in hand. I didn't watch the memorial, but I have seen young Shaheen's singing on the news. What a proud little lad he must be, having been asked to sing alongside MJ at the O2, to be singing at his funeral is a real honour, and he sang his little heart out, as only a Welsh boy could do. Wonderful stuff, and sit down Susan Boyle.

Sylvia... I agree with you.

I think Annina's venomous remarks regarding Michael Jackson were posted on this particular thread to have the maximum sensationalism knowing it would cause an argument.

I have no problem with her feelings towards MJ as I said earlier it was the wording and the fact that she added them to a thread
about the merits, or otherwise, of Paris Jackson.

i didnt watch the memorial service because altho i think MJ had some great songs, i think his behaviour is to weird for words for a grown man

so have no intrest in his funeral or memorial and to be honest bit sick of seeing him splashed all over the papers n mags yes he was a fantatsic musician but its geting a bit bnoring for me anyhow xxxx

From where I'm standing, this thread started out as an opinion about how the poster felt as she watched Michael's daughter make that emotional speech at his memorial.

In my eyes that was an invitation for people to post their feelings on the daughters speech, and the observations of the other family members up on that stage at that time, or even going slightly off the main topic (his daughter) other comments regarding the funeral and memorial.

At no point was it relevant, in a very disrespectful and spiteful way, to put a post on here which is a totally separate issue to the one being discussed ( a family mourning a loved one. )

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion on here, but if that opinion is put over in such an unpleasant way, on a thread which is irrelevant to that opinion people will naturally react with equally unkind remarks

At the end of the day we have all lost loved ones, be it family or friends. We have all seen soldiers coming home in wooden boxes. It is possible to feel empathy for more than one slice of societies loss. Just because many people are sad of MJs passing doesnt mean its more or less important to people than Joe Bloggs death down the road who used to wave & say hello every morning.

I feel empathy towards those who have lost MJ, his family and real friends who knew and loved the real MJ, not the one the media and other money grabbers painted in all sorts of colours for their own gain.

But It doesn't mean I dont feel empathy towards other people who have suffered loss

Annina's post was valid because whether you agree with her or not there are an awful lot of people out there who think the same as she does about MJ.
For that reason alone I defend her opinion because as I said before it is a VALID point of view.

IMO the debate turned when she was then accused of;
being another member
strangling cats
having serious mental health issues

A classic example ladies and gents of how good debates go sour on GR

every body is entitled to their own opinions good or bad
life would be so boring if we all thought the same

I have never enjoyed MJ's entertainment or his music - and I thought him a little eccentric - but that's all part of showbiz.

I took him to my heart when I first heard of the ugly accusations made by ONE boy - one of his so-called 'friends', and I wondered how many more would 'come out of the woodwork' - but only heard of one more. This leads me to believe that it was an elaborate extortion racket, with the second one 'getting in on the bandwagon'.

Since then, I have felt sorry for him and others who have this label tagged on them. If they are guilty, the worst kind of punishment is too good for them - but if they are innocent, how hurtful it must be for them to have their decency questioned.

It is so easy to get a 'bad' name - but so difficult to get rid of it.
The Congresswoman who spoke at the memorial said "every person is innocent until proven otherwise".