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I wouldn't dare debate with you, Janey. I would get lost in the words and end up making a complete a**e of myself. I would then leave the thread with my self confidence in tatters and would probably have lost the will to live:)) Sorry I'll stick to the arguments and inane threads with people of similar intellect.
Sue
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Hi Janey,
Another Canuck here living out on the West Coast & have read through your entire thread....
Sorry to say, but I'm very happy with the recent
decision handed down by the EU & my sentiments regarding the culling of baby seal pups as a Canadian....Find it both extremely inhumane & barbaric to say the least. Always have & always will, if allowed to continue!
The latter re "extremely inhumane & barbaric" is of my opinion & sticking to it....
AnotherCanuck
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sneaking in with an agenda...... don't be too harsh on me Janey....
to the left of here , in the ever changing ads...you will see a dog looking out at you... please look back and take a minute to read even?
Thankyou xx
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Sorry Rose, no can do -- I have my AdBlocker on and firmly on, and will not risk letting anything through that I'll have to spend forever getting rid of again!
I was actually thinking about this thing about how abuses *must* occur because there aren't enough fisheries officers monitoring the hunt ...
Who monitors pet owners? Why, pretty much nobody.
I would imagine that the proportion of dog owners in our countries who neglect / mistreat their dogs is at least as high as the proportion of sealers who violate their licence conditions.
I'll never understand people who acquire animals they evidently don't want. When I was in law school, the people in the other half of my house -- there was a below-grade breezeway from front to back, and both our doors opened off it -- got a German Shepherd pup. It was one of the worst winters on record, and it was left outside. It cried. When I had to go to the corner store, I would take it for the "walk" -- i.e. I carried it there and back.
All my cats are strays (have had a couple from the humane society in the past). We have a feral cat colony on the block that I've turned the garage over to and we feed. (Our Parliament has its own feral cat colony, btw - a set of cat shelters right up against Centre Block, which houses both Houses of Parliament.)
Progress was mentioned. My mother's father, as lovely a man as you'd want to know, drowned kittens during the Depression. Arguably better than allowing the cat population to swell with unfed, unhoused cats -- 75 years ago, working people didn't have pets neutered. My mum used to get sent to the butcher to ask for a bone for the dog ... that they didn't have. But they'd have soup that night. Anyhow, my grandfather eventually said he just wasn't doing that again.
30 years later, around 1960, my mum had to take a cat to the pound because we couldn't cope with more kittens, and my dad controlled the pursestrings (at that time - and this was one of the things that prompted my mum to start putting money into what *she* wanted) and didn't want to pay for spaying cats.
Me, I feed the ferals and find homes for strays, and pay for low-income neighbours to spay their cats.
What's the big factor here, really?
Money. A family in the Depression couldn't afford unlimited numbers of cats, and certainly couldn't afford to neuter them. Spaying was an option 30 years later, but an expensive one for an ordinary working family. Me, I can afford it, and I can afford the tests when my cats get sick. Although I question my morals when I pay for cat meds and the money could go to, really, better things. But then so could all my money, apart from what I need for basic eating.
Economic development is where humane treatment of animals - and people - comes from. Poor people can't afford qualms.
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I remember, on a trip to the UK, visiting a section of Hadrian's Wall and a guide telling us that most of the old farm houses were built of stone from the wall. There was a gasp from a lot of the group but the guide said that conservation is for a more affluent society. If you needed materials for your house you used what you could find.
Sue
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Exactly, SueMaid.
Forests are being destroyed in parts of the world today that we all need, to maintain our oxygen and climate and all that.
They're being destroyed by people who need firewood to survive. And species are being hunted to extinction by people who need "bush meat" to survive.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/864506.stm
We have the luxury of choosing not to do those particular things, but some of the things we do are of course far more ecologically harmful, just not as obvious to the naked eye.
Me, I'd impose the "one child" rule on the entire world, if I were queen of the world. ;)
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Just got back from having a life!
I've read most of your posts Janey, but to be quite honest I can't be bothered trawling the internet for information.
I wasn't comparing seal culling to cock fighting, just pointing out that they are both barbaric in their own way.
I have no problem with bear or deer culling - in fact - amazingly - I've been on a deer cull, Nice quick bullet to the head - of an adult/old/ailing deer -dead - and they didn't even know it!
There must be a reason why Europe has banned the sale of harp seal fur.
I'm sure it's not personal - but if it isn't because the whole process is barbaric, then I'm stumped. Perhaps the majority of Europe is wrong in their belief, I wouldn't know, I can't be bothered googling it, so only speak for myself.
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Well, I guess there's a reason why Bush invaded Iraq, and why people throw litter on my street.
I'm sorry if I sound facetious, but I don't consider "there must be a reason" to be an argument.
Reasons have been offered here, and can be found in the Hansard I linked to in the first place.
The anti-seal hunt gang / fanatical "animal rights" activists have a lot of money and throw their weight around without qualms.
European Union elections are coming up.
No one in Europe gives a * about sealers and sealing communities in Canada.
Europe, and European parliamentarians, stand to lose precisely nothing by making this move -- and by making it, European parliamentarians ensure they won't be dogged by people whose pockets are lined with money from uninformed / uncaring donors to support the lobbyists in the lifestyle to which they've become accustomed and to oppose political candidates who don't do their bidding.
Canada and Canadian sealers and sealing communities have nothing to offer European parliamentarians, and nothing to threaten them with, to counter the advantages of voting for the ban.
On the one hand, Canada, which offers no carrot for voting against the ban and has no stick to prevent voting for the ban, and Canadian sealers and sealing communities, who have no European vote and don't matter to Europeans and their parliamentarians.
On the other hand, the anti-seal hunt gang, which has a big stick with which to beat European Parliament candidates around the head, consisting of lots of money and lots of propaganda and disinformation, but that's how elections are won and lost.
So it looks like it was a pretty easy choice.
That may help.
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This series of short videos may shed some light on how communities rely on the hunt:
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/seal-phoque/video1-eng.htm
Deb
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Why thank you, Deb.
This is the intro/overview.
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/seal-phoque/video-eng.htm
For some reason I can't access the videos, but hopefully anybody interested in facts will be able to.
Too bad about those Canucks ...
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