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Oh yes, I did post a query about this the other day. In december 1878, my Roberts ancestors moved from Walworth London to Holborn. They had lost their money on a beer house. They applied for relief as they were destitute according to the poor law document. It says "Whether Husband, Wife of Children sen tto workhouse or asylum" and it says "Yes".

However there is a composite register of all workhouse admissions for every sort of institution in the Holborn Union which was done at the time now archived at the LMA yet there is no record of their admittance to any of the workhouses in Holborn Union. They stayed in Holborn as in 1881 they were just round the corner from their 1878 address.

Could the poor relief workhouse admission been withdrawn at the last minute or would they have been sent to a workhouse back in Walworth or Lambeth as the youngest was born in Lambeth in 1877.

The head of the household later on applied for sick relief in 1885 but whenever he was admitted on occasions, he was admitted to a local workhouse the City Road one but I am querying why I cannot find any admissions for 1878 for the family in the Holborn area yet they seemed to have stayed there after.

Ben

Ben

Shelli if you can track down the workhouse records they will tell you when RWD was admitted to the workhouse, or if he was born there and if so why Phyllis was admitted and why and when they left

As you say, the plot thickens. I reckon he just declared himself a widower so he didn't have to send Phyllis any money. But I also wondered if she was already living with somebody else, although I couldn't find her. maybe if she was she didn't get herself put on the census because she was already married, adultery would have been frowned on then.

Ann
Glos

Yes that is probably the reason Ben. It is a lesson to us all though not to expect relatives to be where they were in the previous census, and not to be surprised when they turn up in another county. One branch of my lot were all in Somerset. The nest thing I know two families are in Portsmouth Hants. Father and family went first, then his son and family. then to complicate matters one of the daughters married somebody from back in Somerset several years after the move.

Will have another think about young Clara.

Ann
Glos

Ann

sorry, kids hijacked computer :(

Phyllis definately not dead in 1901, am fairly certain she re-marries in 1911, to Samuel Vitler ( awaiting marrriage cert to confirm, dispatch date was today so heres hoping it's in the post tomorrow.)

Divorce according to NA was in 1908, I have NO details on Albert apart from the brief mention on the NA site. I am trying to get hold of a copy of the divorce papers.

Interesting that Robert is saying he's a widower in 1901. Certainly sounds like my Robert Leach, info matches marriage cert and service record.
Robert William Dayman spent his life as Bill cos he refused to be known as Robert. He refused to have the same name as THAT man. He also blamed Robert Leach for almost killing his mother, when they'd had a row, RL locked Phyllis out and she spent the night on the doorstep. So using this info I'd always assumed they'd been married for ages. But am now finding evidence that proves that incorrect.

Rose does seem to put it around a bit doens't she?
There is no father named on RWD birth cert, and I always felt that was maybe the reason he was born in the workhouse. Will look into finding the workhouse records I think????

I know for 100% that RWD was alive in 1901, as he later married and had my Nan LOL
And I'm fairly certain Phyllis was alive, cos the entry on free BMD for the marriage in 1911 names both Phyllis Leach and Phyllis Dayman, so it sure seems like her. Will post back here once have the marriage cert.

Not sure where to look next apart from the workhouse. Any ideas???

Mystery deepens..........

Hi Ann

I still am having trouble findin Emma Auber in 1841 with Edwin and Clara.

This next case is more an example of how ancestors disappear, but suddenly from one part of the country to another. I am not asking for any census help, etc just giving this as an example. My ggggran gave birth to an illegitimate baby in Sussex in Dec 1863. Afterwards, her and the servant father moved to London and married when the baby was 7 months old. When the baby was concieved, the father was still married but his previous wife was dying of TB and she died in November 1863 just 6 weeks before the babys birth. I think this fiasco created a scandal explaining why the parents suddenly left Sussex.

Ben

tried out the site but I guess it depends which areas they have covered as I can't find anything so far.

Has anyone found anything yet?

thanks for that Susan look interesting.

Ann
glos

Another search engine

England Baptisms 1700-1900 ( British Isles Vital records )

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1473014;p=2;t=searchable

Not to be mistaken for the usual Familysearch site....this is the beta for their new search engine

Susan
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thanks to one of my friends she found my uncles second wife i wanted to find out more about and if she had any family
Margaret Morgan,nee Quinn,married
Kenneth Malcolm Morgan,1955 Chelsa,in 1969 they were living at
16.Glendale Drive,Wimbledon
but in 1970 my uncle died,so now have the problem of finding her,cant sit for long because of whiplash in my leg and lower half of my bottom most painful
Dutchxx

Butt in any time plz any info is welcome!

My dad came from newtownards and i have tried every church there for their records and believe there were plenty and they were all very helpful but i cudnt trace any of them...Its frustrating to say the least!

No trace of my dad ever being born!

nudge in case Tricia hasn't seen this.
I sent a PM to Shelli re her post so I guess she is not around at the moment

Thanx Ann

nudge for Shelli.

Hopefully somebody with an understanding of Irish records will look in and suggest a solution Tricia.

ann
Glos

I cant find my fathers John Morrow birth cert anywhere in the North of Ireland but he states on my mum and his marriage cert he was born in Newtownards county Down N.Ireland and states his parents names also Thomas and Agnes Morrow she was nee Coulter but no trace of them to be found in any churches or BDMs..They were protestants!

Whoosh!! all gone just like that and all during the 20th century unbelievable!!! Help!!!


Tricia

Always a problem with the London/middlesex ones karen isn't there. Did you ever get that cyst removed?

I suppose my best bet for the elusive Florence Whittlesea is to go look at Baptisms in the Parish Registers which I presume would be kept in whichever Records Office nearest to Marylebone??
Aaahh well, that'll have to wait now until my next trip home. I'm going back to the desert on Sat.

K

Shelli, I can't find Robert anywhere in the 1901. Is the name Dayman from his Mother's previous name or was he adopted. Is there anything else you know about him that would help to locate him in 1901. He is not still in the workhouse and I can't find him under Leach either. I have tried all the variants of Dayman and also trawled all through the likely names.


Can you think of anything else?


And I don't understand why, if I can find the marriage between Robert Leach and Phyllis Rosetta Dayman Sept quarter 1898 reg district Tunbridge 2a 1365
And Robert is a widower in the 1901 census. why can't i find a death for Phyllis?


Just seen your post that says they divorced in 1908. Why does he call himself a widower then in 1901. back to the drawing board.

do you know if Albert had any other alias? And do you know what occupation he had. Just wondering if she was 'philandering' before 1908.
Ann
Glos

Shelli

Robert Leach
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Petty Officer 1 Cl (Officer)
Gender: Male
Where born: Uffculme, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: Gibraltar
County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Royal Navy at Sea and in Ports Abroad
Sub registration district: RN Ships
ED, institution, or vessel: Repulse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Leach 29


He is a widower so Phyllis must have died pre 1901.

Ann
Glos

nudging this up because I want to have a look at the latest ones.

Ann
Glos