General Chat

Thankyou Lesley,
I expressed my opinion politely and without malice,

Caz xx

Hi Kathryn, I'll take note and I'll remember not to refer to you as a lady in future. :-) I tend to refer to men and women as ladies and gentlemen quite a lot 'in the real world' as it sounds politer in certain sentences (in my opinion of course) however, I perfectly understand if you do not want to be defined by this term.

Strangely enough I did wonder whether you would pick me up on this, I should have gone with my gut instincts and omitted it. :-)

I think I have a different definition of bad manners than you so I'll agree to disagree in this instance.

To be honest I agree with you in this issue that women should have the choice to go to war if they wish (although personally I prefer peace) however, I appreciate that people have other views that differ than mine in so many areas.

However, I still think there is a way to voice a difference in opinion without personally offending the other person on the other side of the debate.

I don't get you wrong at all, ~~~Secret Red ^^ Squirrel~~~ **007 1/2**. You might just note that I am not a lady, of course.

And I don't really care what your definition of "rude" might be, or to whom you might want to apply it or why.

I consider it the height of rudeness to advocate discriminating against anyone based on any personal characteristic, including religion, race, sex, and all them.

It is the height of disregard for the welfare of other people.

And that's the very definition of bad manners.

Kathryn, Caz is expressing her opinion as are you. Both of you are entitled to express it and challenge each others opinion if you choose, hopefully in a respectful way that is not personal.

However, I object to you calling Caz rude, in fact I consider it hypocritical as I have seen too many of your posts now which I consider rude/belligerent.

Please don't get me wrong, you are a very intelligent lady and many of your comments have merit. You are also very helpful with other people's research. However, in my opinion (which you are entitled to disagree with) a little more diplomacy sometimes when expressing your opinions wouldn't go amiss.

Kathryn, i am never rude on GR.

I have been the person at home while my husband served two tours of Iraq. he is on the line for Afghanistan,

I have my opinion, you have yours,I believe women should not be on the front line, that was the original question, which I answered.

Caz x

Sorry Colin, yes it is an opinion, I have given mine.


Caz xx

Caz, I have no desire to see your viewpoint. It's ugly.

And to express it in connection with the tragic death of an individual who chose to serve her country ... rude.

The first post doesnt ask a question it asks for an opinion and mine is that irrespective of gender all deaths of our service personnel is tragic

yes Colin, it is this thread has gone in a different way. But the first post asked a question.


Caz xxx

Every death of a serviceman or woman is tragic...isn't that what we should be talking about?

Kathryn, I merely said its respect to see anothers view point, I have no wish to argue on this thread as my friends husband was the only one to get out of that vehicle in Afghanistan alive.

We are ALL entitled to our opinions.

Caz x

And Caz, I don't know about this not telling anyone their opinion is wrong being respect.

When someone's opinion is that a person's life choices should be limited by her sex, that opinion is obnoxious in a society that values all individuals equally and respects all individuals equally. That opinion is not respect. So I don't feel much obligation to respect it, if that's what you were getting at.

If it's sexual tension that's the problem, let's remove the men from the military.

And let's see how many wars there are then.

Our soldiers fight for our freedom, that includes the right to an opinion. I do not tell anyone their opinion is wrong. That is respect.

Jean, I didnt explain properly. I meant sexual tension in an environment that is fraught with danger is not a good idea. I merely believe that women should be in less dangerous enviroments.

Caz x

That doesn't surprise me at all Caz.

Jean, I disagree very much on that one!!

Caz x

Well Caz.... that would be a male problem not a female one.

I used to do a "mans job" I was a long distance self employed courier, I resent anybody telling me where I can or can't go, day or night. I worked with a lovely elderly gentleman who's mother was one of the original suffragettes in jail force fed the lot, he would tell the ladies where I worked of his mother and was very proud of her, he used to open doors hold chairs out and stand when ladies entered the room..

I believe the families of the men killed along side the woman soldier have asked for privacy to mourn, the woman killed was young and pretty it's the press who decide to make headlines of her death because she is the first woman killed in Afghanistan, wasn't the first man killed given publicity too?

I watched her parents on tv talking about their daughter it was heartbreaking I'm sure had they talked to the parents of the men killed it would have been equally heartbreaking, grief makes no distinction of the grounds of gender.

R.I.P. The brave men and women who have died in service of their country....xx

Kathryn i do not dispute there are women who make excellent , fearsome soldiers> The wonderful young woman who died is one. I have also see several who have not made good soldiers. That of course can apply to men.

It can also be said that a woman being in with a large group of men can be a distraction, not for any derogatory reason, purely biological.

Caz x

Jean,

At last common sense...thank you!

Col x