General Chat

well said Daff MGHS these are not aggresive people and I don't know why you would think they are I would sugest that you try meeting some of our service personal

NOTE - All I can say, is that if this country is attacked or over-run - God help us - no one seems to want to help....

On a lighter note ( I hope...cos the reality would be horrendous )

Press gangs for the Navy ( if Brussels will allow )....

Then can you imagine the RAF.....once they were trained they could go AWOL in one of the planes. Perhaps to sunnier climes

With the Army they could learn how to kill others with more proficiency and prolifically.....

And what fun being a Marine....they could learn it all, then go back to the streets and anihalate the lot of us.....yes.....good idea Not

Susan
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updated...sorry if this offends...will delete if asked to

well, if they arent going to be combatants, what on earth is the point of being in the armed forces?

And I would rather emigrate (as I suspect many others would) rather than let my son or daughter be forced into the services against their will.

John....would you include females in this compulsory NS?

I am not trying to advocate that young people should do their NS to go and fight, or to play soldiers.. What I am trying to say is that young people, with an apprecticeship etc., can do two years either in between their five years or after their apprencticeship.
They would not be called upon to go to any front-line, but they would be available to assist in any emergency which may occur in the UK. relieving some of the more hardened troops.
Daf, I appreciate your husbands training. I was also an instructor in the RN. But this was training 'hardened' ratings with a permanent job to do.
And yes, it can take sometime..
What I am saying, is that all these youngsters, could be given the chance to learn any trade. Electrics, plumbing etc., and we all know that one Instructor can take anything from 12 - 20 personel.
In between all this they can be given instructions of Fire-fighting, First-Aid, etc..at the same time learning how to respect others, learning and taking on responsibilty.. The plus signs go on and on. I'm afraid, and this is my view only, the minus signs to NS under these conditions are very, very few...
I am not wanting youngsters to go and fight, I am wanting them all to become an asset in as many ways as possible to this country and to themselves.
If this is wrong - then string me up... John

An aggressive soldier is not a good soldier.

The soldiers I have lived around for 34 years have not been aggressive... disciplined, compassionate, passionate, and many plain darned heroic. But not aggressive.

The aggressive ones were weeded out and sent on their way... someone who is aggressive in the sense that you seem to be saying (but am happy to be wrong, lol) are usually unstable and undisciplined when it comes down to the nitty gritty.
Love

Daff xxx

Good point there, Daff - I suppose it's like saying to someone (like me) who is trying to set up their own business and funding themselves, and so on, that - unless you do some standard thing like National Service - your work or profession isn't as "good" or "important" as someone who has.

Because all professions are going to be useful somehow - whether it's being a doctor or a shop assistant or a beauty therapist or whatever else, everybody surely has some contribution they can make.

well, I think the jury has declared a resounding NO to national service

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Hi Daff thank you and I agree with you 100%

Thank you Tory. I agree totally.
There are some who slip the net... and look at the damage they do to the reputation of the rest of these brave and hardworking young servicemen and women!!

Having NS back would increase that potential... and would penalise all those who have no desire to serve in the Forces, have worked hard to attain their own personal, professional goals in civvy street, but are made to join and then tarred with the same brush!

To me, that seems a futile exercise!

Love

Daff xxx

the military are not thugs MGHS and it takes more then dropping them in a war zone to make them the professionals that they are

I quite agree Lorraine... but that call-up was in response to a national emergency, as I said earlier... and the military system was geared then to provide the training appropriate.. many people who wouldn't have given the military a second glance have gone on to say that it was the making of them...

But the modern Forces are more streamlined, highly trained - and more technical training at that.... it is purely a professional, voluntarily entered fighting/peacekeeping force, equipped to deal with a very different type of warfare and peacekeeping than our parents and grandparents were forced to go through.

Pray to God that we never go through that again!

Yes, you are right... people are leaving the forces in their droves.... which is one of the many reasons why having to use the military we DO have to fight in all corners of the world, and then to come back and battle reluctant learners in their own down/training time is absurd!

Love

Daff xxx

I dont think a world war would be anything like the last one...life has moved on and wars are fought differently.
I also dont see the point in going back 50 years and bringing back NS when todays children are completely different.
Unless you are talking about the rougher element and in that case I dont see why the better kids should be included.

Yes with some parents it does Lorraine but there are just as many who try very hard with there children and still the children go bad .some turn round and some don't .

tory

just a joke! but the responsiblity for these yobs actions must lay partly with the parents.

lorraine

I spent some time as a military wife myself Daff and agree with what you say :-))

well my grandad was a reluctant learner as you put it, called up in ww11 served on russian conveys and submarines in the navy

He was an electrician

He said the war was fought by, plumbers, bus drivers , shopkeepers etc. The military could never cope now with another ww like the last one

they are leaving the army in their droves and the youngsters round here see it at a last resort if they can't get a job to join the military.

in that case lorraine who looks after there children while they do it ?

I'ts not that the suggestion isn't a valid one John. Just that there would be more to it than a good suggestion......lots more to consider than I can possibly think of.

You say 'Just look at a scool teacher, 30 in a class.' Not a very good example I am afraid. Aren't the majority having problems with the laws as they stand, with no powers and bureaucracy being the way it is?.

Susan
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Well, in this instance John, I think we will have to agree to differ...

My husband was for a while in his 34 year military career sgt/ major training wing... and then went on to be OC Training wing.. whilst still fulfilling active tours of duty in NI, Somalia, Gulf War 1 (twice) Yugoslavia, Kosova and Bosnia in between the trainees courses.

That was a herculean task in itself, and this was with young eager and determined volunteers!

To expect people...professionals... like him to have classes full of reluctant learners doesn't bear thinking about!!


Regards

Daff xxx

edit... he also served in the 2nd Gulf war.. he is a fairly recent leaver, lol