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lilymoon
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29 Feb 2008 14:40 |
there is not just rescue centre for cross dogs there are rescue centre for ped breeds as well they are run by people with experience of that dog lilymoon
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Roxanne
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29 Feb 2008 14:39 |
Thanks Steve:-)) Thats good to hear.
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poison acorns
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29 Feb 2008 14:37 |
good i will welcome that to roxanne
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Peipal
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29 Feb 2008 14:37 |
Roxann
All my puppys are classed as pet quality, as its impossible to say a puppy will make show quality
If you mean what happens to a puppy that does not make show quality at 6 months
some are keep't for their bloodlines but not shown
the others are found nice family homes in my case because the puppy has lived with my children i always try and find a nice family with children to place the puppy with.
but in all cases the dog comes first
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Roxanne
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29 Feb 2008 14:36 |
Anyway,It will happen,the law will change and make it far more difficult to breed these Animals,thats for sure!!;-))
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poison acorns
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29 Feb 2008 14:34 |
well in the shelters i have been to i have found it to be so like i said its just my opinion and my husky will never see the inside of an animal shelter i can assure you
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Roxanne
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29 Feb 2008 14:32 |
But There not! there are a very mixed lot in Animal shelters. In the one I help out at there are Alsatians, Greyhounds, but the majority are Huskies,Why I dont know! and cross breeds. So saying that the majority are cross breeds is 100% untrue!
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MrDaff
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29 Feb 2008 14:32 |
*self opinionated* Roxanne? I hold my hand up very high to that one as well! Would never argue with that... we have the right to our opinions, too, as I have repeatedly said.
I certainly do not take issue with that.
I also am not missing your point at all, Roxanne... I just don't happen to agree with you.. and will never be persuaded otherwise. I feel that our opinions are diametrically opposed.
That certainly does not make me feel that your point of view is not valid, nor firmly held by you.
Also, yes, I did make an issue.. your thread invited the opinions of others. I gave mine. They are different to yours... that in itself is an *issue*
As this is a subject that I, like you, have strong beliefs about, it will always be a point of issue, wouldn't you think? Life is like that! People agreeing to disagree, even about subjects they feel great passion for.
Well, that is my last word on your thread, Roxanne, I am sure you will be pleased to hear!
I wish you well, and no hard feelings.. I certainly don't harbour any.
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Daff
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Krystyna♥
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29 Feb 2008 14:30 |
I disagree with breeding. Once they have served their purpose, they're surplus to requirements. Very unfair for the females to keep going through pregnancies as it is a health risk. Also think that people should be finding their pets at rehoming centres.
Krystyna
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poison acorns
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29 Feb 2008 14:29 |
as the animal shelters are mostly full of cross breed dogs and cats i think that should tell us something it might be that's where the problems lay if the government made it compulsory to have all cross breeds neutered that would go a long way to solving the problems of unwanted pets most pedigree breeders seem to be responsible to me with the odd exception it might be the answer to educate pet owners more as to the responsibility of owning a pet in the first place but puppy farming should be outlawed just my opinion
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covlass
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29 Feb 2008 14:22 |
I am by no means attacking Breeders and I know there are a lot of dedicated breeders out there who do a great job and are very genuine.
Puppy farms are far to common and are run by heartless people who just want to make money fast with no concern for the health and well being of the puppies that they sell. Then there are those so called breeders inbetween who seem to be genuine but are not and are just as bad in my eyes as puppy farms
I have 2 ped labradors, not for breeding or as working dogs but because of their nature and size ( I didn't want a small or massive dog) Having children I wanted to know I was getting a 'true' labrador so to speak which is why we went to a breeder(s)
However I would like it to become harder to purchase a dog. People need to be more educated, dogs take alot of caring for and lots of attention it's far too easy to purchase a dog and then dispose of it when it has served it's purpose or when things go wrong.
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Roxanne
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29 Feb 2008 13:52 |
Steve, Thanks for adding. I have to say that in the past I have had Dogs from Breeders. My parents kept Basset Hounds for years,it was their breed of choice. But over the years and seeing so many badly treated and so many in need of loving homes,my opinions changed. Can I ask you,as a Breeder,what happens to the ones that arent so perfect? The ones that arent the perfect specimen?
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Peipal
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29 Feb 2008 13:45 |
Can i just say something about real dedicated breeders
when my beautifull breed was classed as the rarest dog breed in the world back in the early 70s, a Hong Kong breeder managed to get a few dogs over to America
Since then through carefull breeding both in america and britan, the breed was taken from the brink of extinction to championship status
but more than that when they arrived into the west they had some really poor health issues
once again these dedicated breeders have improved the health issues out of all recognition for the better i must add
When i breed a litter if i dont use my boy, i spend weeks looking at all the stud dogs bloodlines going back 10 gens to make sure of health and temprement in the puppys
so when some one says they are breeding to improve the breed perhaps they actualy mean it.
But i aggree that some breeders are just in it for what they can make and thats wrong
i know of a few in our breed that do that and its very sad, as its people like myself who end up helping the unfortunate owner of a badly breed puppy
but i will continue to breed happy healthy puppys that go to loving homes
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Roxanne
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29 Feb 2008 13:35 |
Hello Uggers:-)) Oh,thank you:-))
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Uggers
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29 Feb 2008 13:33 |
But very nice with it, Rox, if you'll excuse me butting in:)
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Roxanne
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29 Feb 2008 13:28 |
Quote from Daff
"How very presumptuous and self opinionated!!" Yes,I am!
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Roxanne
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29 Feb 2008 13:25 |
With respect, Daff,I think you are missing my point! What reason,apart from the obvious,which is Dogs for the blind,And dogs for certain jobs e.g Security,police dogs is there for breeding animals in this way? Only one,and that is the vanity of humans,It does not do any good for the animals! Even as Non-Profit breeding.
Oh !and Daff,It was you that made an Issue,not me,
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skwirrel 1
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29 Feb 2008 13:11 |
I think there should be limits on breeding domestic pets, unfortunately animals end up in the shelters all too quickly - it is vert tempting to want a new puppy or kitten just because next door breeds them but how quick people tire of the animal.
I am against all and sundry breeding the pets just for the sake of making money.
Gill
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MarionfromScotland
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29 Feb 2008 13:07 |
They also need to be a lot tougher with cruelty cases of any form.
My cat was from a shelter paid £30 for her.She was dumped in a garden with 4 bro's ans sister's. Very timid and spat a fair bit. I knew I could work with her, now she is a spoilt loving little thing, but still a bit jumpy at times.
They breed ragdoll and another type of cat. They are not sold at top prices whatever that is,but the money is used to help keep the shelter.
Marion
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MrDaff
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29 Feb 2008 13:04 |
Roxanne, apology accepted, thank you.
I must also say that I am not ignorant either.... I, too, disagree with you... organisations such as the RSPCA and others do a wonderful job often under extremely difficult circumstances, and they have my full support, physically in the past… financially now, as do the Dogs Trust, and a couple of other animal charities, where I sponsor animals unsuitable for rehoming….. but even they don't get the matching of animal and family right quite a lot of the time.. only a few weeks ago one of our members had an uncomfortable experience... I do agree that there are *bad* and *diabolical*breeders out there.... That is a fact.... That ALL breeders are therefore also bad is a rather broad generalisation and based on assumptions you have made from your own experiences... my experiences tell me otherwise, so I make my own assumptions, too, based on these!!
I feel that all people who wish to breed a domestic animal of any description should have to get a licence, and be able to prove their knowledge and expertise in this area… above and beyond the licence that all pet owners should have before even bringing their new animal into their home.
Puppy farms should be razed to the ground... but only after the owners and *breeders* have been locked inside.
Any debate subject in my experience, is usually put forward from a neutral viewpoint as a proposal to be discussed and maybe even new opinions formed as a result.....
My comments were based purely on your statement in your opening post.... and this was clearly not a debateable issue as far as you were concerned.. it was a clear and concise statement of your beliefs in this case. That is absolutely fine... you are certainly entitled to them, as I am to my own.
My comments were also not given from debateable stance, as I believe in them implicitly, and they are not likely to be changed., Just as you do in your own beliefs. Again... that is absolutely fine!
I believe that existing legislation should not only be enforced, but actually tightened up, and every breeder inspected whenever a litter is on the way.
But I still believe that people have the right to choose a pet with a known and well established personality/needs base… and that there is still a place for breeding healthy and well adjusted pedigrees… and that includes breeding out the problems that occur with many of them, such as you get with the dachsund and the Bulldog, for instance.
And I have the absolute right to hold and air those beliefs, as you do yours.
I think that although we might have some principles in common, we must agree to disagree on some of the fundamental points of our individual beliefs. I do not *protest too much*, you know little or nothing of me or my background, just as I know little or nothing of yours. I would never dream of doing you the discourtesy of assuming that you *protest too much*, I could make that statement only with a true and extensive knowledge of your personal experiences and background.
With regard
Daff
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