Genealogy Chat

hi all,

sorry i didn't reply yesterday. i am off work at the moment so quickly trying to get everything done while i have the chance. it was Emily and Charles who married in 1885, Charles (who now appears not to be mine) married amelia in 1872. on emily and charles' marriage cert his occupation is ship steward which is why i got confused between the sudden change to beer house keeper on emily's death. his father (henry gannaway) is down as a joiner which would fit in with the 1871 census michael found. i thought perhaps that by 1897 (emily's death) charles may have been too old for ship stewarding so took up the pub- just a theory. thanks all for continuing without me.
leanne.x

I have messaged Leanne asking her to let us know the occupations of both Charles and his father Henry (she has the marriage cert for Charles 1885 and says in her original posting that his father was a Henry).

She also mentions early on that Emily's death cert stated she was the "wife of Charles Gannaway a beer house keeper."

Athena

I realised after I had posted that the 1872 was the Goss marriage and deleted it

Julie - could you let us have the census refs for the 1871 entry please. I've just searched on Emily Gannaway but nothing is coming up for her age.

Also, where did you find the 1872 marriage for Charles and Emily? I thought their marriage was in 1885 (Leanne has the cert for this). I think the 1872 marriage was that of Charles and Amelia (since found out it's a different Charles).

Athena

Oh dear oh dear - what have I just discovered? This confuses things a bit now:

1891 CENSUS - Lymington

Charles Gannaway, 52, shoemaker, b Hants
Amelia Gannaway, 65, wife, b Lymington

So - this has thrown a spanner in the works I think.

This Charles - who originally claimed to be aged 22 in 1871 giving a birth year of approx 1849/50 (which fitted your Charles) but who later seemed not to know when he was born, and aged an extra 10 years - couldn't really have been the same Charles that married Emily Plummer in 1885!! Unless he was flitting about between two women!

Reason we couldn't find this earlier is because it's been transcribed as GANNWAY on Ancestry.

I think we all need to put our thinking caps back on and try to make some sense of it all.

I'll do some more searching whilst it's quiet here at work and if I find anything worthwhile I'll let you know.

All the best - Athena

Leanne - just one more thing before I finish lunch break - I completely forgot to mention earlier that on the 1881 Census, Charles Gannaway, 45, shoemaker, b Pennington Hants and wife Amelia 63, were living at the Wheatsheaf Inn, Lymington, Hampshire.

I wonder if living in a pub he occasionally helped run it? Just occurred to me that it was a bit of a coincidence, what with his wife's death cert saying he was a beer house keeper.

Also - did you spot that they had both increased their ages by an extra 10 yrs between 1871 and 81? He should have been about 32 and Amelia about 54. Weird!

Ok, definitely off now - regards, Athena

oh thank you michael. seems farily probable atleast that it's her.thank you all again.

You're welcome!

Remember when you're searching for Frank/Louisa marriage that Frank may have been a nickname, shortened from Francis. Then again, they may not have been legally wed!

I hope those certs prove all these theories we've thrown your way today.

Take care - Athena

oh thank you- you're an absolute star! you really have helped so much. can go ahead and order some certificates now then. :D thanks so much. and thanks to every1 who helped me!

leanne.x

Leanne - here is your link to the Burtons - have found Emily had a sister named Louisa:

1861 Census - 13 Euston Rd Pancras, Boarding House

Henry Plummer, 37, house painter
Ann, 38, wife
Mary Ann, 18, dau
Louisa, 7, dau
Edward, 5, son
Fanny, 4, dau
Emily 3 dau
Henry 1 son

So, let's see - there must be a marriage to a Louisa Plummer to a Frank Burton?

Hope that's helped. At least you know what happened to Violet.

Athena

o i know tell me about it. this hobby sure does get confusing. i'm searching for marriages of frank burtons ah well we'll see. thanks for all of your help! it really is appreciated.

The link to the Burtons could be that his wife, Louisa, was a sister to their mother Emily. You would need to research that line of the family to see if you find a Louisa Plummer.

Never-ending circles, eh?

ok. well it was a good thought atleast. thank you.i know i am being a complete pain but could you perhaps look to see if you could find emily plummer on any of the census with family so i could maybe try to figure out where the burton's come in as uncle/aunt? please?

on the other hand it does seem a little odd that she be a smith. if emma e smith is 60 it's hardly likely that Beatrice be her daughter and there are no other smiths there. sorry could you possibly send me the image so i could have a quick look please?

Oh, maybe it was just coincidence, Leanne. Just checked the actual page and it says she was a "servant".

Athena

although Beatrice should be Beatrice L and aged 11. it is possible but i can't find the link as to how he was her uncle. sorry what was Beatrice's relation to head?

This is the only Violet I could find:

Name: Violet E Gannaway
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Dalston, London, England

Civil Parish: Surbiton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Frank Burton 45
Louisa Burton 47
Margaret L L Burton 21
Violet E Gannaway 13
William Hurn 25
Beatrice A Smith 16
Emma E Smith 60


Is the above Beatrice Smith actually Beatrice Gannaway? I think this is the entry Michael was referring to - the Burton family.

Regards

Athena

ooh thank you. although i have not come across a mary gannaway before. perhaps a third wife. haha. also not heard of any Burtons. thank you so much for finding them. perhaps beatrice was mispelled. afterall gannaway not that common and spoken could be taken as any number of spellings. seems strange that they were all split up. if Vi is at an aunt and uncle's seems odd they didn't take at least beatrice and/ or henry too. thanks again, i really appreciate it.

On the 1871 census he shows Amelia as spouse although they didn't get wed until the following year. Did he marry Emily Constance Plummer when he still had a wife in Lymington just saying he was a widower?
On the 1871 census his parents Henry and Mary Ann were at 34 Manchester Street in Southampton. Henry was a carpenter and unmarried daughter Mary Ann was a stewardess on a steam ship. Can't seem to find Charles in later census.On the 1891 census Emily and children are at 159 Sandringham rd Hackney shows she is married and head of household.
I have looked on the 1901 and found the children except Beatrice.
Sydney and Frank are in Southampton with a Mary Gannaway aged 30. Address not clear but ?ions Hill. First letter not clear. Violet is at 13 St Andrews Square Surbiton Surrey, neice of Frank and Louisa Burton. Henry is at the Orphan Working School Kentish Town London. Age shows two years younger but could have been lowered to get taken in by the school.

thanks to you all for looking. i didn't thinkm of the possibility he married bigamously. i'd always thought that henry worked on the ships which is why he wasn't around census time but i quite agree a name change and bigamous marriage would certainly make sense.

his eldest sone died in ww1 and his father was closest relative in swanage (Charles) so i beleive he was still alive by 1917. thank you all. well i'm getting there. atleast we have theories now. thank you