Genealogy Chat

Thank you for that offer Gail. I'll remember that!

Well Wendy ...........are you there? We've managed to find you several generations back and some new branches for you to go off and explore.

Basically it means your tree goes like this so far:-

Generation 1 Harry Louis Swift (born 1879 Birmingham) married Florence Wingrove in 1906. He may have added the Louis later because he fancied it……people sometimes did that!

Generation 2 William Swift (b. 1844 Bromsgrove) married Ann b.1846 Bromsgrove d. 1888, probably nee Albutt and daughter of Thomas and Maria Albutt) Probable marriage to Ann Albutt in 1864 Bromsgrove. There is a possibility that there were two marriages both to an Ann as there is a William Swift/Ann Grainger marriage in Aston in 1872, but I cannot find a certain death of an Ann Swift to account for a first wife dying. I’d be tempted if I were you, and had spare cash, to buy the Ann Grainger marriage certificate in case William was a widower but only if I had enough to risk wasting £7.

Generation 3 William Swift (b. approx. 1811 Bromsgrove) married Jane b. approx 1812 (probably nee Gillus) Probable marriage in 1839 St Martin, Birmingham

Generation 4 William Swift married Sarah

Over to you and good luck.

Sue

Oh Yes, I thought I had seen the name Albutt before - and don't forget I live in Lincolnshire so if you want me to nip to the record office and look for a burial (I know that won't tell you anything really, but you never know the vicar might have written 'comes from Whitstable' - I live in hope)..seriously though Sue if you want me to look for anything it is no problem..

Gail.

There were Albutts in Bromsgrove as early as the 1600s.

Nice little project sorting them out Wendy. Looks a promising tree.

Good luck
Sue

This might be Ann Albutt

ANN ALLBUTT Birth: 01 FEB 1845

Christening: 03 MAR 1845 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Parents:
Father: THOMAS ALLBUTT
Mother: MARIA

ooh Gail

Look again at 1891 at who was the housekeeper!
ALBUT, Emma Housekeeper Single F 38 Housekeeper
Birmingham

Looks like a relation of Harry's dead mother was brought in to look after the kids.

Sue

LOL

Well it makes a change from chasing some of my own elusive ancestors.

Now if anyone wants a real brick wall how about my Thomas Bottomley/Bothamley living in Lincolnshire in 1841 of approximate age but born out of county about 1778 and dead before 1851 so I have no idea where to look!

Best wishes
Sue

Lets hope Wendy eventually comes back to tell us if we were on the right track...I might have to buy the certificate myself after all this.................lol

Gail.

I quite fancy this earlier William (in IGI batch P020912) as the father of the William who married Jane. That gives us three generations of William Swifts and takes us back to Wendy's 3x great grandparents.

WILLM. SWIFT
Birth: 26 JAN 1811

Christening: 26 JAN 1812 Bromsgrove, Worcester, England
Parents:
Father: WILL SWIFT
Mother: SARAH

Sue

As I cannot see a Harry Louis Swift birth registration, the nearest one I can find is this one..

Harry Swift
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 120

Gail.

Yes she does fit in nicely with the census details though, right age and place of birth.....along with hundreds of others probably...

Gail.

I wondered about her Gail.

She does seem very early as you say. There ought to be more children if so.

Sue

Wonder if William could have married Ann Allbutt

Ann Allbut 1864 Q3 Bromsgrove,
Volume: 6c
Page: 529

William Swift on same page.

Just seems very early.....

1861 census

Ann Albutt
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Servant
Where born: Bromsgrove, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Bromsgrove
Town: Bromsgrove
County/Island: Worcestershire

Ann Albutt 15
Sarah Tibbatts Knight 56
Stephen Knight 70
Thomas Tibbstts Knight 20

RG9; Piece: 2113; Folio: 99; Page: 3; GSU roll: 542919.

Gail..

This might be the marriage of William and Jane

WILLIAM SWIFT
Marriages:
Spouse: JANE GITTUS Family
Marriage: 03 JUL 1839 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England

I can't see a baptism for Jane but there are other children called Gittus being baptised in that same church some 20 years before Jane married and they are the children of a James and Elizabeth Gittus. If it were my tree I'd pencil them in my notes as possible siblings or cousins.

So Wendy that gives you some new leads to check and think about and some new surnames to research.

Sue

These are they on 1861 census

Charlotte Swift 7
George Swift 15
James Swift 5
Jane Swift 49
Jane Swift 13
Mary A Swift 10
William Swift 50
William Swift 18

Gail.

Yes, think he is a Nailer on the 61, there is a big gap between children....had he been somewhere or like you say married to two Ann's or just lost children...

Wonder where Harry got Harry Louis from on his marriage certificate, I cannot find a birth registration for a Harry Louis Swift.

Gail.

I think this is probably the birth of father William

Births Dec 1844
SWIFT William Bromsgrove 18 209

and here he is on the IGI with his parents William and Jane (batch number P020916)

WILLIAM SWIFT
Christening: 24 NOV 1844 Bromsgrove, Worcester, England
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM SWIFT
Mother: JANE


These are all the children of older William and Jane in that batch

1. JANE SWIFT -Gender: Female Christening: 30 APR 1848 Bromsgrove, Worcester, England

2. RICHARD SWIFT - Gender: Male Christening: 26 FEB 1843 Bromsgrove, Worcester, England

3. WILLIAM SWIFT -Gender: Male Christening: 24 NOV 1844 Bromsgrove, Worcester, England

4. MARY ANN SWIFT - Gender: Female Christening: 26 MAY 1850 Bromsgrove, Worcester, England

5. CHARLOTTE SWIFT - Gender: Female Christening: 27 NOV 1853 Bromsgrove, Worcester, England

6. GEORGE SWIFT - Gender: Male Christening: 31 MAY 1846 Bromsgrove, Worcester, England

7. AGNES SWIFT - Gender: Female Christening: 28 MAR 1852 Bromsgrove, Worcester, England


Sue

The daughter is definitely Mary Ann Swift. There are no Mary Janes of the right age anywhere near.

Births Jun 1868
SWIFT Mary Ann Bromsgrove 6c 399

Sue

I'm a little confused by the 1871 census.

Just went back a bit and found William and family when they were in Bromsgrove with their oldest daughter.
His wife then is an Ann so he either had two wives called Ann or there were a number of children who either died or weren't at home in 1881.

The daughter is called Mary Ann not Mary Jane in 1871 and I've seen the original census record. It may be that the 1881 is incorrect about Mary's middle name.


This is what the 1871 says.
SWIFT, William Head M 26 Worcestershire
SWIFT, Ann Wife F 26 Worcestershire
SWIFT, Mary A Daughter F 3 Worcestershire
RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3071 Folio:
20 Page:
33

Registration District:
Bromsgrove Sub District:
Bromsgrove EnumerationDistrict:
1 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Bromsgrove Municipal Borough:
Address:
Strand (Court House), Bromsgrove County:
Worcestershire

I think William's occupation is nailer......that is what it looks like.

Sue

aha

we're good Gail!

LOL

Sue

Had another look at his pension record and it says he was in India between 19th November 1897 and January 1903.

Gail.