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Mike,sorry my condolances are very late , but my thoughts are with you, x

*** F.A.O. ***….Elaine.

Leicester Journal Friday 28th. February 1868.

Page. 8. ½ way down in the last column on right hand side.

SUICIDE IN LEICESTER.

On Monday last an inquest was held in the Parish of St. Margaret’s
Before J. Gregory Esq. Coroner On the body of Hannah Powell.
Who committed suicide by taking “ LAUDANUM “
The deceased was the wife of Thomas Powell. A boatman
residing in Foundry Lane. and was 54.years old.
For the last two ~ three weeks She had been very curious in her manner
And more particularly Friday last.
On that day She hardly spoke to any members of her family
And in the course of that evening She went out several times and finally returned about half past nine of the clock.
She then went into the yard and was absent above half an hour.
Her Daughter went out with a light to seek her and found her in the closet
In a stupefied condition and with an ale glass by her side
She led her into the house and on the way through the yard found a small bottle
On the ground labelled “ Laudanum ~ Poison. Teear’s of Belgrave-gate”
Her Father, Who had gone to bed was called up, and her other Sister was sent to Mr Teear to inquire the quantity of Laudanum the deceased that brought
And it was found that She had purchased Three penny’s worth.
Dr. Thompson was also called in
The deceased seemed to get better until Saturday afternoon,
then changed for the worse and died Sunday morning.
The deceased had been subject to fits for up wards of Thirty years and though she had advice from the first commencement of these fits
no one seemed to do her good.

Dr. Thompson attributed the death to narcotic poisoning which had been taken by the deceased when her mind was in an impaired and weakened state from the effects of the fits which she had been so long subjected to..

Verdict :~ “ INSANITY “

So there you have the sad truth…. Sorry…..

MIKE. xxx

Greeting’s Again Kathleen ….

Using the resources I have to hand…….

The only Mary ( Ann) Allen Baptisms
c 1844 St, George’s Parish Church.
With a Father Thomas Allen.
I can find is as follows :~

1829. 9th. December.
MARY ANN ALLEN.
Father :~ Thomas Allen.
Mother :~ Mary.

1839. 16th August.
MARY ALLEN.
Father :~ Thomas.
Mother :~ Mary.

I can but take a look at the Baptism registers
Held at the Records Office.
for you & report back on this thread.
With regards to the different address you have
I would say they are the same House
Just the names change with social status values updates through the years.

MIKE. xxx

Hi Mike
How sad.Thank you so much for the info, it's an amazing piece of history for me
Brilliant
Elaine

Greeting’s Again Elaine……

Found this it might help ?

Laudanum was a wildly popular drug during the Victorian era. It was an opium-based painkiller prescribed for everything from headaches to tuberculosis. Victorian nursemaids even spoon fed the drug to cranky infants, often leading to the untimely deaths of their charges.
Originally, Laudanum was thought of as a drug of the working class. As it was cheaper than gin it was not uncommon for blue-collar men and woman to binge on laudanum after a hard week's work. Use of the drug spread rapidly. Doctors of the time prescribed it for almost every aliment. Many upper-class women developed habits.
The outbreak of tuberculosis may have been another factor in the drug's rising popularity. For a short period of time the tuberculosis "look" (very pale skin and frequent fainting spells) was quite in vogue. Victorian women went to great lengths to emulate the look, often taking arsenic to pale the skin (slowly poising themselves to death).
Laudanum's biggest clam to fame however was its use by the romantic poets. Many of the Pre-Raphaelites (Among them Lord Byron, Shelly and others) were know to indulge. The image of the romantic poet, pale, morose, drunk on absinthe and laudanum is a common one. The film Gothic portrays the stereotypical image of that society. In reality, most of the PRB were heavy drinkers first and foremost.

MIKE. xxx

I used to go to records office on a saturday morning when i first started my family tree and looked at censuses and parish records.

Lately i haven't been much as sat morning is the only time to do the cleaning an all the censuses are on ancestry now.

I have tomorrow and friday off work, also next thurs and fri so i thought i may take a long overdue trip to the records office at some point.

As my time is limited what would you suggest i concentrate on?? Should i pick out a couple of ancestors i want to find links on??

thanks
paula

Mike

Yes I was going to have a look at Laudanum and historical directories for the shop, must go shopping first!
Elaine

I have a Samuel Hayes living with his grandmother Rhoda on the 1861 census. A search shows he is the son of her daughter Sarah - he was born in 1851 and registered as Samuel Kemp Hayes (Lutterworth Sep 1851). He died in 1867.

Sarah shows up on the family census in 1841 as aged 9, born in county (Frowlesworth, Leics) - so born c1832.

I found Sarah as a servant in a household with a Kemp family in 1851 - so no big leap there!! She is shown as being born in Frowlesworth, Leics c1828 (but the age could be wrong if the info was given by the head of household)

There is a death of a Sarah Hayes registered in Lutterworth Dec 1853. Is there any way to check for more information on this Sarah without buying the death cert?

The reason I ask is because I found a marriage of a Sarah Hayes to a William Reynolds (Lutterworth Mar 1852, though the IGI has it listed as Monks Kirby, Warwick). I have followed this couple 1861 through 1881 and Sarah has been listed as born 1835/36 in Kirkby Mallory, Leics or just Kirkby, Leics.

The IGI has a Sarah born in Monks Kirby, Warwick in 1832 - parents Samuel and Rhoda. The batch also lists all her sisters as being born in the same place, including my ancestor. My ancestor shows herself to be born in Frowlesworth on the 1861. My ancestor's father Samuel was born in Kirby Mallory, Leics (as per the 1851 census).

I feel like I am going around in circles.

(The Sarah I am looking for is the sister of my ancestor and I have more direct certificates I would rather get at this time.)

Greeting’s again Kathleen. ………

As promised trawled the Parish Baptism Registers.
For St, George’s
Below are ALL the Allen Baptisms for 1844.:~

1844.
July 3rd. Jane Daughter of John & Elizabeth of Granby St.
Hair dresser.

3rd. July. Louisa.
Daughter of John & Hannah. Of Granby St,
Brick maker.

24th.July.Richard Collins Allen.
Baseborn Son of Charlotte Allen.
Yeoman Lane. Single woman.

25th. November. William Harris Allen.
Son of John & Mary. Of Charles St.
Foundryman.

Had a look at theses I posted last night
Here are the full details :~

Entry No. 418. 9th. December. 1829.
MARY ANN. Daughter of Thomas & Mary Allen.
London Road. Frame Work Knitter.

Entry. No. 717. 17th. June. 1839.

MARY Ann. Daughter of John & Hannah Allen.
Granby Street. Brick maker.

Entry No. 222. 16th. August. 1837.

MARY ANN Daughter of Thomas & Mary Allen.
UPPER CHARLES STREET.
Frame Work Knitter.

Hope this helps.

MIKE.

Greeting’s……… Paula.

Not knowing your Family tree ……..
I would think you pick out the people who will help you the best to
Form a solid foundation on which to build up your tree.
The Twigs can be done latter on.

Remembering that Marriages will also give you good building blocks for both families.

With regards to having time to do this addictive hobby. ?
Then you put in what time you can spare …….. “ It’s not a race.”

Remember that the Records Office
has late nights on Wednesday's till 7.30. pm.

But if you need any help then just ask on here I’m sure we could help you.

Good luck in your researches…….

MIKE. xx

I heard on radio Leicester they is an open day at the Leicestershire and Rutland Family history society on Saturday 10-4

paula

Paula, if you have a spare 10 minutes, have a look at wills. There's a card index in alphabetical order, and if you find a person you're interested in, you can photocopy the will and then read it at home so you don't waste time while you're there.

You'll need to take a list of names and dates of death with you. Can't remember which year the index goes up to, I'm afraid.

Mary (or anyone else who knows)

I saw the indexes for wills at the records office before but i'm not quite sure how to use.

Once i have found the index for someone i am interested in where do i find the will?

paula

I've just received a copy of my 2x great grandfather's marriage certificate and on it is shown his 'father' yet the parish records have him as illegitimate as his 'father' apparently died in 1826 and my g g grandfather was born in 1833.

Is it possible for parish records to be wrong? The person in question is Skeffington Liquorish, b.1833 in Hallaton to Martha Liquorish and John

In the 1841 census Martha is shown as widowed with 3 sons. There is a death reference for a John Liquorish in 1826 but also 2, I think in 1842, one of whom is Martha's son John, although if she was widowed in the 1841 census then John must have died prior to this.

Can anyone shed any light on this - surely the father on his marriage certificate wouldn't have been filled in? Or would it?

Thanks for any help with this

Alison

my great grandfathers marriage certificate has a father recorded and he was illegitimate. I think sometimes people made a father up to avoid embarassment. The fathers name my ggf put down was actually his grandfathers name
paula

Re my Catherine Tailby mystery i have put an update on my thread 'brick wall any help appreciated !!!'

I've possibly part solved it but i need opinions so would be grateful for those of anyone on the Leicester thread

Hi Paula,

If I remember rightly, the wills are on microfiche in a filing cabinet near the index. I don't remember exactly - I'm sure Mike will know, though.

Paula,
Thank you for clearing that up

Alison

Greeting’s…….. Alison.

Liquorish Burials for Hallaton

LIQUORISH * JOHN * 12 Sep 1826 Aged.33
LIQUORISH ROBERT 20 Feb 1838 71
LIQUORISH JOHN 05 Sep 1842 16
LIQUORISH MARTHA SARAH 18 Jul 1843 2days
LIQUORISH JOHN 01 Jun 1844 1wk
LIQUORISH MARTHA ELIZABETH 08 Jun 1844 2wks
LIQUORISH SARAH 23 Feb 1845 77
LIQUORISH JEMIMA 01 Jul 1857 1wk
LIQUORISH EMILY 17 Jul 1859 6wks
LIQUORISH THOMAS 08 Jun 1860 38
LIQUORISH MARY 09 Jan 1861 36


MIKE.