Genealogy Chat

why not try the one in Gower (thats in wales isnt it?) if it was Helenas then she may of gone back to where she was born to have him so as to avoid any scandal. If you dont want to go that route how about one of the other children birth cert to make sure of the parents names.

lesley on the bedwelty one find out the local reg office phone hem and see if they will do a check for you, some will some wont for the cost of a phone call ou could save yourself £7

Oh,dah,I'm so thick.If I look at his ' father ' John and 'mother' Amelia ,if his sister was his real mother and without a birth certif it will be father unknown , all the people I thought I was related to, I'm not.I thought of the ones in wales but there are a few and I don't really know where to start as they could all be not mine.I cant understand why his military no didn't come up with something though.

Lesley deep breathes lol. OK I have the same on hubbies side his gt grandfather was bought up by his gran as her daughter had him no father so have sort of adopted that family as ours lol. Just say that Phillips wasnt his name and just one he used (my dad desnt use the name on his birth cert) .where did you look for his miliary stuff on ancestry or on national Archives

I looked on india and ww1 pensions.I know that was his name as my dad,his son was names after him.Phillip Leslie John James.My dad was always called Les to avoid confusion.Taking another deep breath.

Lesley I googeled the east surrey regiment and found a link to go to that might help you find out where your grandad served Go to www(.)1914-18918(.)net/eastsurreys.htm remove the brackets

another one to try is www(.)armynavyairforce(.)co(.)uk/east_surrey_regiment.htm

Thanks Dawn.I'll try them . Going to sign off for tonight as I must get things sorted for work tomorrow but if you should have any more ideas please post them and I'll catch up later.Many thanks for all your help today.

OK. It's the weekend again and I now have time to do my fav hobby again.Now, where do I go from here.I have a grandfather who dosn't seem to be registered.I suppose he must have been though cos can you get married without being registered at birth.I know he served in bagdad.I'm just going to look at the sites you gave me last weekend.well , I looked and nothing the first site could not be found and the 2nd one I cant post on for 24 hrs so I'll have to wait.Both those places od birth in wales are a long way from where I think they had links to. Merthyr Tidfil and Aberdare were thier area .Anyone who has any ideas of where to go from here please feel free to let me know. Many thanks.

Hallo nice people.I just thought that after all your hard work helping me that you deserved to be kept up with developments.My mum has spoken to my aunt and it seems that when the lady I thought was my g-mother,Amelia, died she left Phillip a house and in her will she says "to my addopted son Phillip " this seems to point to the fact that Helena known as Nellie is indeed his mum.She married a man called spanton.They had 2 daughters.Eileen and Muriel.I think Iv'e found Muriel's birth in 1902 but I'm not sure it's the right one.Anyway, she went to live in Canada and got into financial dificulty and Amelia then age about 70 went to Canada to sort her problems out for her.In the end they moved to California to better weather as she had health problems.Now seeing that this lady is my real g-mother I would like to find out more.Where do you suggest I start.Oh, by the way,my g-father was born in Fulham she said but I still can't find his birth.Iv'e looked at US fed cencus on ancestry but I can only see one Helen Spanton , New York and it wont let me look as I havent got world membership.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Helen Spanton
Name: Helen Spanton
Age in 1910: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908
BIRTHPLACE: New York
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's Name: Bush
Father's Birth Place: Germany
Mother's Name: Cecilie
Mother's Birth Place: Germany
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 19, New York, New York
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Bush Spanton 30
Cecilie Spanton 25
Anton Spanton 3
Helen Spanton 2
Belle Spanton 3/12


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1900 United States Federal Census
about Ellen Spanton
Name: Ellen Spanton
Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
BIRTHPLACE: Sweden
Relationship to head-of-house: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alvin
Race: White
Occupation: View Image
Immigration Year: 1895
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alvin Spanton 26
Ellen Spanton 21
Fannie Ahlquist 17
W August Ahlquist 10



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Sorry - doesn't look like any of these! I have a Helena who is called Ellen and daughter called Ellen is known as Nelly. Lots of possible variations to search there - Ellena, Ella, Helen, Nellie etc. etc.

Sorry I haven't much time to search, but can check out any you think are likely. you can pm me if you prefer.
Trina

Hi Lesley.
There is a Muriel Spanton 1902 Croyden Surrey here on Genes. Put there by a member called June. Try contacting her.

Hello Leslie,
I'm just passing some time this morning, and looking through the interesting problems that people encounter with their families, and having read yours, can I say don't dismiss the Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare link, for the simple reason, both areas are very close to each other, but Merthyr Tydfil was the registration distrist for a huge area. Over the years there have been many council boundary changes, so it might be worth trying those.
A friend of mine who also is having problems tracing her family, encloses a letter when buying certs, to the effect 'only supply if the father is etc etc'. This way saves her the expense of unnessary and unwanted certs.
Hope I haven't confused you even more in your quest.
Best regards,
Karen (partner of Dave Hicks)

Muriel Doris I Spanton 1902 mar qt Croyden gro ref 2a 329.


Mildred Eileen V Spanton 1907 june qt Croden gro ref 2a 387.


The same member June Phillips has both Muriel and Mildred on Genes.

June Phillips also has Edward Spanton 1848 London

Marriage?

Edward Spanton
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Fulham
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 414

Elizabeth Helena James

Helena's birth

Elizabeth Helena James
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 475

possible for 1901 obviously filled in by somebody who didn't know

Edward Spanton
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: N

Civil Parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: South Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 222
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Spanton 42
Ellen Spanton 40
Winifred Spanton 13


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Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 70; Folio: 23; Page: 37.

Place of birth and age for both Edward and Ellen entered as NK (somebodyhas added the ages later). Winifred place of birth NK

Andy

Thankyou Petrina,Margaret and David.
Petrina,sorry none of those are mine.Mine was born in Aberdare Wales.Thankyou for looking anyway.
Margaret, I will contact June and see if it's my one.
David,Yes the 2 are close together.Those born or married in Aberdare are registered in Merthyr.I just don't think that the Phillip born at Gower is mine as it's too far from Aberdare where we seem to have reletives.Thankyou all.

Andy, That does sound like it could be her.I Thought I'd found her birth as 1876 in Merthyr,but I could be wrong I'll have another look.If she was living in FulhamThat would explain Phillip's birth in Fulham. This marriage happened 2 years after his birth of 1898 or 1899.By this time he must have been adopted by his gran Amelia.Helena has 2 sisters,Florence and Lilian. Helena and Florence were born in Aberdare and Lilian was born in Wimbledon.They are all together on the 1891 census. I cant find any of them on the 1901 census. How can I find out if the adoption was legal or just within the family.