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Hi Paul, Do you happen to know where in the States Roy Harris is? I live in California and know of a Roy Harris~ this of course would be a super long shot but how weird if it's him!! Both Roy and Harris are not uncommon names. Paula

News from Woolwich Below are the details of the marriage of: William Armstrong and Henrietta Maud Wilson 1933 Marriage solemnized at: St Peters Roman Catholic Church New Road in the District of Woolwich in the County of London No: 66 When Married: Twenty Second April 1933 Male Name and Surname: William Armstrong Age: 22 Condition: Bachelor Rank or Profession: 777708 Gunner R.A. Residence at the time of Marriage: Royal Artillery Barracks, Woolwich Father’s Name and Surname: Randal Armstrong (Deceased) Rank or Profession of Father: Seaman Merchant Service Female Name and Surname: Henrietta Maud Wilson Age: 25 Condition: Spinster Rank or Profession: Housemaid Residence at the time of Marriage: 53 The Avenue Beckenham Father’s Name and Surname: James Anthony Wilson (Deceased) Rank or Profession of Father: Seaman Merchant Service Married in the St Peters Church according o the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholics by certificate by me. G J Donnelly. Frederick Hardwick. Registrar (Acting) This marriage was solemnised between us: Signed .. William Armstrong; H M Wilson In the Presence of us: Signed: M.Allen; D. Mascall Rachel

News from Woolwich - Part Two Below are the marriage details of George Francis and Henrietta Maud Armstrong 1962 Marriage solemised at The Register Office in the District of Woolwich in the Metropolitan Borough of Woolwich No: 139 When Married: Fifth July 1962 Male Name and Surname: George Francis Age: 53 Condition: Bachelor Rank or Profession: Bus Conductor London Transport Executive Residence at the time of Marriage: 9 Engineer Road Woolwich Father;s Name and Surname: George Francis (Deceased) Rank or Profession of Father: Furnace Worker Female Name and Surname: Henrietta Maud Armstrong Age: 54 Condition: Previous Marriage dissolved Rank or Profession: Receptionist (Foot Clinic) Residence at the time of Marriage: 9 Engineer Road Woolwich Father;s Name and Surname: Anthony Wilson (Deceased) Rank or Profession of Father: Seaman Merchant Service Married in the Register Office by Licence before me Signed H E Turner – Superintendent Registrar and H J Fox Deputy Registrar This marriage was solemnised between us: Signed .. G Francis and H M Armstrong In the Presence of us: Signed: J G Carey and E M Carey Thanks Rachel

News from Woolwich - Part Three Details of William Armstrong’s enlistment William Armstrong – 777708 DoB: 30 May 1909 Parish: Amble Enlisted: 12 January 1928 in Newcastle Upon Tyne Discharged: 23rd October 1941 KR390 Xvii (Sickness & Illness) Thanks Rachel

News from Woolwich - Part Four As you can all see today's been a really good day - the certificates arrived, I managed to get some info about Williams time in the RA. Jenny - who offered help will post her findings - she been focusing in the Newcastle area - she found some interesting details. Again if any of you can offer help - have suggestions on where to go next we'd love to hear from you Thanks Rachel

1901: Randal Armstrong Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Relation: Son Father's name: Peter Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Plashetts, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Amble Ecclesiastical parish: Amble Town: Amble County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Alnwick Sub-registration district: Warkworth Mary Armstrong 68 Minnie Armstrong 32 Peter Armstrong 61 Randal Armstrong 30

News from Tynemouth William Armstrong was born 30th May 1909 in Amble Northumberland. According to Artillery but on his Marriage Certificate it says he was 22 so born in 1911. I shall try and get to Berwick RO to confirm which year he really was born. William's Father was a Randall Armstrong. Randal married in June Q 1903 in Alnwick Northumberland. His Wife is Isabel Fisher. Randal Armstrong was born in March Q 1870 in Bellingham Northumberland to Peter Armstrong and Mary ? I would imagine they married in Scotland. I have found them on the 1871/81/91 and 1901 Census. Peter Armstrong was born c 1840 in Scotland. Mary ? Northumberland. They children were William born 1858 Scotland. James born 1863 Scotland, Margaret born 1864 Scotland, Grace born 1866 Scotland. Wilhelmia (Minnie) born 1869 Northumberland. Randal born 1870 Northumberland. I have spoken to Rachel on the telephone today and we have exchanged numerous emails. Rachel has also found these following Births which we think may be Williams Siblings. Isabella and Thomas Henry may be Twins of Randal Armstrong and Isabella Fisher. Peter Armstrong Born 1906 Alnwick, WILLIAM ARMSTRONG born 1910 Alnwick. Grace Fisher Armstrong born 1912 Alnwick. If my Husband can, he will take me to Berwick on Tweed Records Office tomorrow or Friday to check these Births out. But I am not making any promices. I have rushed this posting because Hubby is waiting to take me out for a couple of hours. But thought you would all be waiting to see what we have found. Will be back later. Jenny.

These are the only 2 Scottish births between 1835 and 1845 for a Peter Armstrong: 08/10/1835 ARMSTRONG PETER JOHN ARMSTRONG/JEAN DOWALL FR343 U Minnigaff /KIRKCUDBRIGHT 22/05/1836 ARMSTRONG PETER DAVID ARMSTRONG/JEAN MATHEWSON FR387 M Yetholm /ROXBURGH and these are the only 2 marriages with the right names: 1861 ARMSTRONG PETER GLENDINNING MARY CASTLETON /ROXBURGH 1855 ARMSTRONG PETER LOGGAN MARY INCH /WIGTOWN Janice

So, could William Armstrong still be alive? Now we know he was discharged from the forces due to sickness in 1941. He & Hetty divorced at some point probably after that so maybe he also remarried???? I don't have access to UK records or I'd look myself! Thank-you to everyone who has been searching for information, this is a great thread!! Paula

Hi All, Not a very successful day today but I have a little bit of information which may prove to be useful at a later date. I went today to check the minutes of the reference given in history.cardiffschools.net pointing to the Cardiff Rural District Council Minutes, 25th June 1943. There are no minutes for that date. Whether or not this meeting ever took place is difficult to say. I did look through it thoroughly . It's a large bound book so I doubt if pages have been lost since it was bound and stapled The recorded dates of the minutes from May 1943 were as follows:- 5 May 1943 2 June 1943 9 June 1943 7 July 1943 28 July 1943 1 September 1943 6 October 1943 As I said I checked and double checked in case they were bound out of order or that it was just the wrong date given but there was nothing. From there I went back to the Central Library since we now know the date when Patricia was killed, the inquest date and the date of death certification. I scanned through the paper until the end of June and came up once again with nothing. There were other cases of deaths away from Cardiff which were reported and for which the results of the inquest were printed, however there was nothing more on Patricia. What I did find while I was at the GRO was the 1919 - 1963 School Log for Radyr Mixed and Infants. Although no mention of individual evacuees arriving at the school, there were the following notes in the book. 20 May 1940 40 mixed and 10 infant children from Elington Council School LCC together with 7 of the staff arrived here this morning. 18 June 1940 A party of 45 children from Tottenham (Downhills Council School) together with 3 members of staff arrived here this morning. The names of the staff are Mr. W J Larcombe Senior Assistant in charge Mr L Doggitt BSc & Mrs L Doggitt 11 October 1940 Opened after mid term holidays 23 evacuees from Ealing together with Miss Nancy Howell (CA) attended here this morning. 7 Jan 1943 26 evacuees accompanied by Mr F L Nunn visited the pantomime at the New Theatre this afternoon. 3 May 1943 Re-opened after Easter Holidays 11 June 1943 Broke up this am for the Whitsun Holidays (No mention of Patricia) 23 June 1943 Mr F L Nunn LCC evacuee teacher was absent from duty today 8 July 1943 Mr F L Nunn died this morning at Glanely Hospital That's my day. Bye Paul

Paula Yes, William may still be alive albeit very elderly. Does anyone know where divorce records are or have access to divorce registers? Yes, he may well have remarried Thanks Rachel

Hi everyone, Please excuse my ignorance but I thought Catholics were not allowed to divorce or was not looked on favourably. I can not stop reading this site it is brilliant and all the hard work, is slowly paying of. If Wigtown Armstrong is the one I can do some look ups for you. Phyllis

Absolutely riveting thread, well done to all who are giving up their time and money, even if there are no living reletives to find she was a loved daughter and friend and does not deserve to be forgotton. Just sticking my two pennorth in - the birth and marriage in Roxborough are the most likely as that is close to the border of nothumberland and not desperately far from Amble. Do the church keep records of why a marriage was dissolved - seem to think only in exceptional circumstances could this be done, not that easy and possibly have to ask quite high up the church? Once again well done all. Helen.

There's an 1862 birth of a James Armstrong in Castleton, Roxburgh which would fit then. I'll check for a Margaret one year later.

Yes, in Castleton, Roxburgh in 1864 birth of Margaret Little Armstrong. UPDATE: There is only one Grace Armstrong born in Scotland at the right time 1866 ARMSTRONG GRACE F CASTLETON /ROXBURGH so this would seem to confirm the other 2 I found. Will have a look for William now.

Can anyone tell me where Dunedin is please? Have been doing searches on GR to see if anyone is doing the tree but the only possible I have found so far is Henrietta. There is one born 1908 in Dunedin??????????

Newton-Aycliffe ??? (just guessing) Alfie