Genealogy Chat

*** F.A.O. *** ...... Lorraine.

My search will continue this week
now the Records Office is open again after their stock take

MIKE..

thank you mike for the info on benjamin cant
sorry it took so long to check back,
tina x

nudge for a great thread, Bob

Thanks Mike I didn't realise the records office was closed.

Fowkes / mann Family - Leicester

Hi am trying to trace my mothers (now passed away) family. Especially, I am trying to find out about my grandmother, her husband and her children ( my aunts & uncles).

I have looked on the obvious web-sites, but am struggling. I know that My grandma was born Annie Fowkes 12.02.1892 in Leicester & died 4th qtr 1971 in Leicester, I was 12/13yrs old.
She had several children including my mum, Irene Mann ( so she must have married a Mann).

My mum was born 13.07.1922 and died 19.10.1977. I recall my uncle Len, Leonard Mann/Fowkes, who I believe was possibly older than my mum. He lived in Leicester all his life and I know had a son/sons and very liitle money as he was living in 'digs' I remember that he enjoyed grayhound racing!
My mum told me that he was her step-brother(?).
I remember visiting once, an aunt who had several children including a daughter about the same age as me- somewhere also in Leicester/shire. I also remember Syston being mention, but know nothing of a family conncetion here.

Can you/ anyone offer me any advice / help at all? I have hit a brick wall.
Thank you

Hi Gillian,

I've made a start on solving the mystery.

I've found two birth registrations for your mum.

There's a handwritten entry at the bottom of the page in the 3rd quarter of 1922 for Irene E Mann, mother's maiden name Fowkes, registered in Leicester. The GRO reference is hard to read, but I think it's " 7a see D. '34 " (presumably a reference to December 1934).

Then there's a typewritten entry in the 4th quarter of 1934, again for Irene E Mann, mother's maiden name Fowkes, registered in Leicester, reference no. 7a 250.

My guess is that your mum was originally registered under another surname, Annie married Mr Mann in 1934, and your mum's birth was re-registered under his surname. Not sure whether she would have to be formally adopted to do that.

Are you sure Fowkes was Annie's maiden name, or could that have been her first husband's name? I'm wondering because I can't find a birth in 1922 for Irene Fowkes.

Now looking for a Mann-Fowkes marriage around 1934.

If you have the right age and maiden name for Annie, this looks like her on the 1901 census:

Name: Annie Fowkes
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John T
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Female
Where born: Leicester, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Leicester Formerly St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: Leicester St Leonard
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address: 28 Littleton Street, Leicester

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: North West Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 132

Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Fowkes 9
Ethel Fowkes 3
Florry Fowkes 7
John T Fowkes 49, labourer in wool factory
Susan Fowkes 46
Susan Fowkes 11

Can't find a Mann-Fowkes marriage in 1934, and it takes ages to look through the Ancestry full index. I have to do some work now - does anyone else have time to have a look?

Wow- Thanks to the kind generosity of others, I have found quite a bit of info:
It appears that Annie Fowkes married Herbert Frank Kilby in 1909 - no idea when he died ( anyone know)?
I know of 4 children ( probably there are others-anyone know)? Dec1911 Leonard Kilby, Dec 1913 George Kilby, 1st qtr 1917 Robert Kilby, July 1922 Irene Kilby (my mum) Irene was enterd on the birth regististrations as Irene Kilby, then in 1934 Dec- re-entered (handwritten) as
Irene Mann (?). was my mum addopted by Mr Mann? were any of Annies other children adopted as a 'Mann' ? Did Annie re-marry a Mr Mann? - if so when? When was he born /died? what happened to Herbert Kilby? Did Annie have other children? Whooo are they?
Anyone willing to help sove the mystery please???? Thank you

Annie Kilby (nee Fowkes) DID marry Walter J.Mann 2nd qtr 1927.
What happened to Herbert Kilby her 1st husband? - Anyone know please?
How many children did Annie & Herbert have & who were they & how many children did Annie & Walter have & who were they????
Any help very gratefully received.

Hi Gillian
There is a Death of a Herbert F Kilby 1914 Leicester
Vol 7a Page 200
Best wishes Bev

Thanks Bev
What info will show up on a death certificate? how can I check to see if this IS him?
It may not be him as my gran had a child 1st qtr 1917 Robert Kilby .
How could this be? unless Robert (like my mum-Irene b1922), was Walter Manns child also. How can I confirm any of these details? will there be other records that can be cross referenced anywhere?

Hi Gillian
There was only 2 Herbert Frank Kilby on Ancestry
One birth 1886 Leicester Vol 7a Page 240 the other 1910 .
On the death i found of Herbert F Kilby it said estimated birth 1886 Death being 1914. So i would imagine that is the one .
For the other info you asked Mike might help as he knows more about it then me
Best wishes Bev

Thank you so much Bev - you have however, revealed another mystery - as my gran Annie Kilby (nee Fowkes) had a son, Robert Kilby in 1917 - 3 yrs after Herbert, her husband died (?) - I know that Annies daughetr Irene( my mum) was born in 1922 and Annie married Irene's father in 1927 - Walter Mann. But who then was Roberts Father???
ps -please excuse my ignorance, bu t who is Mike?

Hi mike, could you look up marrage of Hilda Trigg and w Cory[william or walter] they had there first child in 1921 think they lived near warf st so it could be a church near there . cannot find births for either or marrage but know there son raymond[11/8/1923 ]was my late father in law.any help would be much apprecated. thanks pam

Does anyone know of Ernest Mann -Leicester
born 1900/01 to Walter James Mann & Ada Mann (nee Rutter)? When did he die? Did he have any brothers/sisters?
OR his children? Edna 1923/Ruby 1924/Muriel 1925/ Alexander 1930? - (any others)?
Ernest's Dad, Walter, was my grandad (by his 2nd marriage to Annie Kilby (nee Fowkes). Does anyone have any info that could be of help to me about Ernest/Walter or their families please.