Genealogy Chat

Thanks for getting back to me Lucy, I really appreciate it! Having a really bad week so this is my bright spot in an otherwise dismal world. Georgie was born on Sept 14 1875 in Birmingham, Warwick and Anna (or Anne or Annie) was born on Aug 2 1876 in Coventry. Some said she came from Stratford, we're not entirely sure. They were married actually in 1897, I oopsed a little. So George would be in Birms and Anna would be ???? George had a brother we know was named Walter, we only know that because Anna was supposed to marry him and not our Georgie. Scandlous. Thanks again for looking for me! Amanda

By the way there too, Lucy, where does the 1891 census cover? Does it cover Ireland? Have some rellies in Northern Ireland, and some leaves missing on my tree.

Hi Amanda, Sorry to hear you've had a bad week hopefully these records are your rellies and it'll go some way to making you feel better. RG12/2413, Folio 81, page 13 Bordesley, Aston, Warwickshire 61 Parrish Street Thomas Lee, head, mar, 40, tube drawer, Birmingham St. Johns Emma Lee, wife, mar, 50, Birmingham Ladywood George Lee, son, sing, 16, Groom, Birmingham Ladywood RG12/2414, Folio 19, Page 31 Bordesley, Aston, Warwickshire 46k 3/5 Garrison Lane Ann James, head, mar, 48, charwoman, Sutton Coldfield Frederick James, son, 12, Birmingham Thomas Toft, brother, sing, 32, General Labourer, Birmingham Annie T Toft, niece, 14, Erdington Benjamin Ravenscroft, boarder, sing, 38, brick burner, Worcestershire This last record is very faint so it is possible that she is infact Annie L Toft. I've checked every spelling of Annie as well as Louise and Toft - this is the only record!

Amanda, Forgot to mention - there are only English and Welsh records on the ancestry site.

could you possibly try the spelling WASEY please? I am looking for Frederick Wacey/Wasey/Wace I havent been able to locate my him on 1881 either. would you please be able to look for WASEY, i am looking for frederick born abt 1869-1871, possibly 20-22 on 1891 census. the 1901 census has him living and born in Hackney, London. He married Emily Elizabeth Sinfield (emma ) about 1892, their first child was Frederick henry Robert WACEY born 23/3/1893 Hackney. other children were Daisy Elanor,1895, Florence emma 1898 and walter ernest 1899. hearsay says she had 11 children in total. many thanks lisa

Hi Lisa, Nothing yet for Frederick I'm afraid. I have found Emily Sinfield though (I notice she is Emma on both the 1891 and 1901 census) would you like her details?

Lisa, I have found him for you. I noticed on the 1901 census that there was also a Robert Wacey, so I tried searching him and found Robert Waley with son Frederick Waley grocer's assistant in Hackney. RG12/206, Folio 176, pg40 South Hackney Ward, Hackney, London 202a Cassland Road Robert Waley, head, wid, 50, carpenter, Hackney Frederick Waley, son, sing, 20, Grocer's Assistant, Haggerstone Sarah A Waley, daur, sing, 18, Haggerstone

Thank you, thank you, thanks you Lucy. thats the link i needed. I found Robert on 1881 census but couldnt link the too together. thanks you so much. could i also ask: please may i have Emma Sinfields details too? many thanks lisa

Lisa, Here are Emma's details - hope they get you that next step back! RG12/201, Folio 17, Page 27 Hackney London 78 Clifden/Clifton? Road Fredk J Sinfield, head, mar, 46, Export Bookseller (packer), Clerkenwell Emma Sinfield, wife, mar, 49, Strand Emma E Sinfield, daur, sing, 20, confectioner's assistant, Clerkenwell Fredk H Sinfield, son, sing, 17, bookseller's assistant, Haggerston

THANK YOU SO MUCH LUCY! That made my day, wasn't looking forward to today until now. It seems like they're my people, but I have a question for you. This info differs a bit from how the Canuck census is done. Where it says Annie is the niece, does that mean the niece of the head? And would that make Thomas her father? Or possibly her uncle? Wish I had the info on what her parent's names were, then I would know for sure. The ages certainly match, and it would be about the time that Walter would have gone to India on a mission with the Sally Ann. Thanks again Lucy, this has really opened up the past for me. Any rellies you have in Canada I'd be more than happy to suss them out for you.

Amanda, Normally "niece" would refer to the relationship to the head of the household, but you know what it's like you can never be sure! Thomas Toft is "single" in the census so whether he's Annie's father is unclear. If it helps I can type up a list of the "Tofts" in the area - there aren't many and it may help in your search. Have you looked on the Freebmd site? There is a birth record on there for Annie Louise Toft born 1876 Aston Warwickshire.

Hi. Would you mind looking up Mary Elizabeth Johnson, widow, living with a son, William and possibly 1 or 2 daughters in Hull. Your help earlier in the week was fantastic, my tree has grown quite a few extra branches!! Many thanks Yvonne

Hi Yvonne, There are quite a few Mary Johnsons in Hull, I have found this one; if it's not her let me know. Rg12/3926, Folio 132, Pg 6 Kingston Upon Hull, Yorkshire Mary Johnson, head, wid, 55, Yorkshire Hull William Johnson, son, sing, 25, oil miller, Yorkshire Hull 2 Stephens Road, Aldbro Street

Hi Lucy. Thanks for looking but the one I'm after would have been 43ish. On the 1881 census she had a son William 10 and a daughter Amelia 5. Would you be kind enough to try again please. I'm desperate to know if there was another daughter. Thanks. Yvonne

Hi Yvonne, Found two more sisters for you! RG12/3934, Folio 62, Page 15 Holy Trinity & St. Mary, Yorkshire 18 Dagger Lane William H Johnson, head, single, 20, waggonette driver, Hull Mary E Johnson, mother, wid, 45, washerwoman, Hull Amelia Johnson, sister, 15, goes out charing, Hull Gerty Johnson, sister, 7, scholar, Hull Clara Johnson, sister, 5, scholar, Hull Daniel Allan, boarder, mar, 54, licensed porter, Norwich

Hi Lucy. That's absolutely brilliant, it's solved one problem and created another but that's genealogy for you. Many, many thanks. Yvonne

hi lucy . Its bernie back again i think my grandmother CATHERINE GRIBBON/BAN was born in co wexford ireland or kirkdale in liverpool in1881. I would appreciate it if you would have one more look for me . thanks bernie.

Hi Lucy! Actually I don't know about the Freebmd site, what is it? Whoa! If I cut out here it's because there's a big lightning storm. I'd love to see that birth cert if I can. If you can look up the Tofts that would be of great help to me! Thanks again, better get on to the Coronation St site before the storm cuts me out. Just found out Roy gets Tracy preggers. Unbelieveable!!!

Hi Amanda, The freebmd site is freebmd(.)rootsweb(.)com (no www) - it's a free site which is putting the birth marriage and death indexes on line. Once you find your index you can send off for the cert. from ONS. The Tofts (not including the ones I found for you before) are listed below, there could be some I've missed if they've been vague about where they were born. These are ones born or living in Warwickshire. Mary Toft, head, wid, 65, Living on own means, Salops Madeley Emma Toft, daur, sing, 26, Birmingham Warwickshire (Living Birmingham, Warwickshire) George Toft, head, mar, 37, blacksmith, Warwickshire Birmingham Helen Toft, wife, mar, 38, Gloucestershire Cheltenham George E Toft, son, 13, scholar, Gloucestershire Chelthenham Helen Toft, daur, 11, scholar, Glamorgan Swansea Florence M Toft, daur, 9, scholar, Glamorgan Swansea Mary Toft, daur, 6, scholar, Glamorgan Swansea Ethel L Toft, daur, 4, scholar, Glamorgan Swansea Minnie Toft, daur, 1, Wiltshire Swindon (Living Swindon Wiltshire) Charles Toft, head, mar, 58, living on own means, Staffordshire Hanley Lois Toft, wife, mar, 55, Staffordshire Tunstall Gertrude Emily Toft, daur, sing, 20, Warwickshire Birmingham Edith Evelyn Toft, daur, 9, scholar, Staffordshire Apedale Evangelin Maude, daur, 5, scholar, Staffordshire Stafford (Living Wolstanton Staffordshire) Mary Toft, head, wid, 77, Living on own means, Warwickshire Coleshill (Living Stoke on Trent) William Toft, head, mar, 64, slater, Warwickshire Kenilworth Annie Toft, mar, 66, Staffordshire Barlaston Harry Toft, son, sing, 22, potters presser, Staffs Dresdon (Living Trentham Staffs) William John Toft, head, mar, 50, template maker, Birmingham Harriet Toft, wife, mar, 42, Gloucestershire Cheltenham William James Toft, son, sing, 22, wagon maker, Gloucestershire Cheltenham Charles Bernerd Toft, son, sing, 14, wagon maker asst., Swansea Wales Chritopher Terrence Toft, son, 11, scholar, Swansea Wales George Albion Toft, son, 9, scholar, Swansea Wales Winnifred Annie Toft, daur, 7, scholar, Swansea Wales (Living Openshaw Lancashire) Christopher Toft, lodger, wid, 29, carpenter, Warwickshire Birmingham (Living Roath Glamorgan Wales) William Toft, head, mar, 33, builder, Birmingham Eleanor Toft, wife, mar, 35, Birmingham Nelly Toft, daur, 7, Birmingham (Living Ladywood Birmingham) Elizabeth Toft, pauper, sing, 48, imbecile (District Aston Union Workhouse, Erdington) Now if you had asked for Tofts in Staffordshire I'd have refused!! there are lots of them!!

Hi Bernie, All I can find is: Catherine Gribbon, head, mar, 32, factory hand, Ireland John J Gribbon, son, 14, scholar, Bootle Catherine Gribbon, daur, 10, scholar, Bootle RG12/2971, Folio 130, pg52 Bootle Lancashire 25 Johnstone Street Patrick Gribben, head, mar, 46, joiner, Ireland Catherine Gribben, wife, mar, 46, Ireland John Gribben, son, 19, General Labourer, Ireland Catherine Gribben, daur, 14, scholar, Liverpool Elizabeth Gribben, daur, 12, scholar, Liverpool Peter Gribben, son, 10, scholar, Liverpool Thomas Gribben, son, 7, scholar, Liverpool RG12/2906, Folio 36, Pg 31 Liverpool Lancashire 1 in 16 of Ford Street