Genealogy Chat

Trying to find Edward James Vanner,the only trace of his existence is his name on sons marriage cert in 1894.I've found the rest of the family in 1881 in Gateshead Co Durham where they must have moved to in 1872 from the Bethnal Green,Walworth area going from the reg of children,one in Dec Qtr 1871 at St Saviour and the next at Gateshead in Dec Qtr 1872. On the 1881 census(they are mis-transcribed as Danver)there is no sign of the father and after trying all combinations of name that I can think of I've been unable to locate him at all. Cant find any marriage to Eliza and by 1891 census she is down as a widow, but I cant find a death reg for him. I've been at this wall for a couple of months now and it's rapidly driving me up it! I ordered the 1871 census from Sunderland FHC three weeks ago but no word yet.Any ideas welcome,Regards Tony.

When was the youngest child born?

Hi Jim,youngest child was born in 1878 and died in 1880.

Tony, Eliza as listed as Head and not Wife on the 1881 census. Makes me think he had already died by then. Crista

Hi Christa,yes I had'nt noticed that but she is still shown as married not widow, however I shall look a bit further back next time I go to FHS. I cant find his death on freeBMD at all. Regards Tony

Hello Thomas, Hi Christa. It could be that he was at sea that night, or some other simple explanation? Keith

Hi there Thomas I have a similar situation with my great great grandfather, his wife and family are on the 1881 census in Shrewsbury, with her listed as head, and married, and I can't find her husband. I am pretty sure that he was working away, and may even have been travelling, as he was there for his daughters wedding in South Wales in 1892. I would suggest going to your local family history centre or records office and see if you can find him on an earlier census (1871 or 1851 have a name index which helps a huge amount). I have found other missing rellies this way (I have yet to tackle the Shrewsbury ones, as I have to make a trip to Shrewsbury and havn't got around to it yet!) Regards Maxine (sorry - just noticed you are waiting for the 1871 - I'm sure that will help)

Hi Keith, as far as I'm aware there was no seagoing connection in the family at all.Unfortunately without finding him on a census I dont know what he did for a living! thanks for the input anyway,Regards,Tony

Hi Maxine,thanks for that,he's a hard man to pin down,you'd think it would be easy with an uncommon name,it aint,Regards Tony

Have now checked the death index from 1875 to end of 1891,still no sign of him!

Tony, Have you got any of the other children's marriage certificates? If you haven't I would check out his name on those first. I spent months looking for a my gg grandfather whose name on his son's marriage certificate was Frederick. Eventually found him and his name was David William!! David had a son Frederick so guess someone got confused. Emma.

Thanks for that thought Lucy, I shall try looking up the Baps for the Gateshead born children tomorrow.Regards,Tony

FOUND THESE ANY GOOD ??? Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Edward VENNER Head M Male 25 Islington, Middlesex, England French Polisher Elizath. VENNER Wife M Female 24 Islington, Middlesex, England Elizath. VENNER Dau Female 3 Islington, Middlesex, England Edward VENNER Son Male 1 Islington, Middlesex, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 29 Hermes St Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341076 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0354 / 60 Page Number 13

Just in case it helps, my gg grandfather was a Chef and was working in a hotel the night of the census, so his wife was marked as Head at the family home. It took me ages to find him because I KNEW he wasn't dead at the time. Ann

Hi Pat, which census is that?

LDS 1881 - I looks like the usual transcript error, hope it looks promising.

Possible marraiges. Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1878 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bishop Eliza Jane Medway 2a 811 NEWNHAM John Richard Medway 2a 811 Saunders Susannah Medway 2a 811 Staples Charles Medway 2a 811 VENNER Edward Medway 2a 811 Marriages Jun 1877 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Button Elizabeth Tenterden 2a 1023 Coleman Edmund Tenterden 2a 1023 GURR Caroline Tenterden 2a 1023 VENNER Edward Tenterden 2a 1023

Sorry Pat, I have them on 1881 mis-transcribed as Danver at 26 Quarryfield rd Gateshead. Thanks for your interest though,Regards, Tony

Hiya Thomas...did they stay in the Gateshead area? Tracy

Hi Tracy, sorry for the delayed reply,I've been out. Yes they are still here,one of the grandsons is my uncle and the reason i'm researching them! Regards,Tony