Genealogy Chat

I have been told my g.g.g g.grandfather came from ALsace -lorraine , his descendants male don't seem to be on the census often. Is there a website that Has details of immigrants from here, this would be around 1850s? thankyou.

Hi You might get some answers from here [http://lists.rootsweb(.)com(/)index(/)intl(/)FRA(/)ALSACE-LORRAINE(.)html] er - removing the brackets of course A

thanks will try it and let you know! KIM

Unfortunately, Alsace-Lorraine has changed hands many times in its history, the most recent being around WW1. You may have to look at both German and French records to find what uo are looking for Paul

I mean to say if you need any help translation wise please let me know. I am bilingual french and my german is sort of OK. A

My great grandfather was from ALSACE LORRAINE....my search for him took me to Germany and Poland (opposed to France.) Perhaps I have had trouble locating him as I was unaware that I should be looking in French records! Thanks, Paul! Judy

The situation is this I know my great -great grandfather was called John Peter Alexander Strouwelle or recently Strouvelle, his father was called Andrew, I don't know where either was born John was born either 1834-5 , but I am struggling, I have his marriage certificate, and have traced his death in 1889, I know he worked as a professor of language in Windermere, Cumbria and London, and his father Andrew was a travelling merchant. But Andrew doesn't sound very foreign to me I wonder if it has be anglicised, or whether the story is a family myth?I can't trace either on 1881 census althoughJohn's son Percy is on 1891 and John's wife Lydia is on 1901, why isn't John on 1881? Maybe he wasn't in the country. He died in london. Sorry for waffling but a few pointers would help!! It's not a very common name so you think it would be easy to do, most Strouvelle's I find are in America! Thankyou

Strouvelle in Forbach, Moselle, Lorraine go to http://search4.geneanet.org/result.php3?lang=en&name=strouvelle&place=&source=&x=16&y=8 don't know what it's worth but maybe check it out. also here if you haven't already seen it - seems to be the right area too http://perso.wanadoo.fr/barbara.schnubel/barbara-f/pafg913.htm is this yours too? STROUWELLE Mons teacher The College Windermere (1855) Could it be that the place of birth is Mons in Belgium? (http://janelittle.members.beeb.net/Strickling_to_Symn.htm) f any help is needed with French, I can help out too. Happy hunting Carole

Thank you for your help and suggestions, I think the Cumbria one is correct as the Lydia, John married was from there. I thought that Mons would be short for 'Monsieur ' as all the other entries on that site have first names or abbrieviations,after the first name. Looks like I've got a lot of checking to do! Also thankyou for offering to translate for me, I will need it............bye for now ,KIM

found lydia on 1891 I think - what do you think? Stronvelle, Frederick H 3 Croydon, Surrey Son Croydon Surrey Stronvelle, Ida M 13 Lorqucy, Devon Daughter Croydon Surrey Stronvelle, Lydia 34 Madehurst, Westmorland Head Croydon Surrey boarding house keeper Stronvelle, Wilfred A 10 Croydon, Surrey Son Croydon Surrey Ann

You're welcome Kim Would be interested to know how things turn out. I am intrigued by this one - my married name is very rare too - can't find any others on the Internet that I don't know personally and who aren't related - I also have family connections in the Alsace Lorraine area on my German grandmother's side but am just embarking on this adventure. You might also want to look for André and Jean rather than Andrew and John (supposing they had French first names of course). My father's name got changed from Câcilius to Cecil and then to Cyril between German and English records Carole

Thankyou Ann, You are a star, I had thought they must have left the country. I wonder what spelling they used for the1881 census, These are definitely, the right ones, my great grandfather was WILFRED, They,ve moved about a bit . Ida was born in Torquay not lorqucy . 1000 thankyous now I can have some fun with their dates of birth etc. MERRY CHRISTMAS! p.s |don't suppose it gives a fuller address?

oh yes.. now I can read the address: 55 Dingwall Road Croydon and Ida was born in Torquay as you say - I wonder where the transcriber thought Loqucy was! xx A xx

No, I don't suppose the enumerator had checked loqucy on a map then do you.? I notice that Lydia seems to have lost some age as she was 22 when she married 1874 and 48 by the 1901 census. She had a child in 1875 who was 15 and living in Islington... (Was he a terrrible teenager she had to get rid of?!) Maths isn't my strong point but I think she should be 38/39.Thank you for the address Ann. I only wish I had learnt to type !....... bye KIM (we've travelledlfrom interesting and elusive ALsace Lorraine to wet windy Croydon, round the corner from where I used to live ! )

yay ... found them in 1881 !!! now I can have a G and t! Alexander STROMWELLE Head M Male 48 Rhenish (For), Prussia Professor Of Languages Lydia STROMWELLE Wife M Female 28 Grapth...out, Lancashire, England Andrew P. STROMWELLE Son Male 5 Kendal, Westmorland, England Ada M. STROMWELLE Daur Female 3 Torquay, Devon, England Alexander STROMWELLE Son Male 1 m Croydon, Surrey, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Northcote Rd 2 Limes Villa Census Place Croydon, Surrey, England

Wow , Ann How did you find them! I see john has changed to Alexander and they have son Alexander which I believe is wilfred's second name......... Are they still living in Croydon? |Did you find this on Family search or have you got the discs>>>>>>>> You.ve certainly made my day ! HAVE A GOLD STAR and a g and t for being the best detective! Kim

Hi I found them on familysearch on the web. By process of elimination. Also refusing to be beaten ... I eventually ended up looking for Lydias in Croydon at the time of the census. It didn't help that John was Alexander, Ida was Ada and Lydia was not recorded as being born in Westmorland, but - hey! got there in the end. The address is at the bottom of my previous message. Have a good day! A

THANKYOU ANN,I AM SO GRATEFUL TO YOU, SORRY I MISSED THE ADDRESS WAS IN A RUSH THIS MORNING, YOU ARE VERY KIND.. BYE KIM P.S NOW TRYING TO FIND FREDERICK AND PERCY AND WILFRED ON 1901 , HAVE FOUND THE WOMEN THOUGH!

still looking for Wilfred and Frederick 1901.......think he was in a home , not sure which one. bye KIM