Genealogy Chat

Greeting’s Again Tracy Rose. . . . I’m sorry for the delay but was following the family lines of a Harry WALLACE aged 9. (1852) the ONLY Harry Wallace from the Scanned images for the 1861. Census. In the village of Waltham-on-the-Wolds. Leicestershire. Now. . The place of birth shown on that scan could have been read as “ BELTON.” To match your details given but it turned out to be in fact “ MELTON.” So tried a different spelling of Wallace. . . . BINGO ! ! ! . . . . . GR9 / 2276 /Page 66. Market Place BELTON.( next to the Vicarage.) Thomas WALLISS. Head. Mar. 38. Shoe Maker. Born Northampton. Northamptonshire. Marry. Wife. 29. Born. Belton Leicestershire. HARRY WALLISS. Son. 9. (1852.) Scholar. Born Belton. Fanny. Dau. 7. Scholar. Born Belton. George. Son. 4. Born Belton. Winifred. Dau. 2. Born Belton. * * * * * * * * * * * * * I see that from the 1881. Census it’s spelt the way you gave. . . And Hy. Could have been “ Henry.” . . But also had difficulties finding the place of birth of Harry’s wife ( Mary Ann ) given as “ Broughton” Nott’s. But I think it could be “ Broughton Sulney ” Nott’s. Or it could be “Nether Broughton” 1.4 miles away on the borders of Nott’s & Leicestershire. If you were wondering where Harry’s Daughters Name of “ Betsy “ came from on the 1881. Census. . . . I see that in 1841. There was an ABRAHAM WALLIS. IN Belton. (Also a Shoe Maker ) With a Daughter “ Betsy “ And I see from Burial records she died when 21. Hope this is of help to you. . . MIKE.

Hi sorry just found your reply Harry Wallace born 1852 and on 1881 census it just says belton Leicester so not sure im afraid

will email you jan. very kind of you to offer. thank you.

OK I'm going to Coalville Library tomorrow to look through the parish registers for the village of Thornton. Anyone need anything looking up? Jan

WOW thanks mike, was'nt expecting that, thank you very much, cheers. not sure if it is them, will have to wait until spring 2005, but will defo save the info you havevmanaged to find me. Never though he might have used his middle name, good idea, will keep that in mind. You wont find edward in 1881 as he should be in ireland if i've worked it out correctly. thank you ever so much :-) :-)

Greeting’s Nichola S O T. . . . Ummm ? ? ? . . . YES It definitely stated Loughb’o on the 1901. site. . . So I checked out GRO (1859 ~ 1862) for Edward's birth in Loughb’o Including Male births for Loughb’o. But drew a BLANK.. . 1861. Scanned images of Census returns. . . Three entries for Powell’s in Loughb’o. Miller’s Yard.RG9 2273 / Page 108. Elizabeth Powell . Widow. 85. Born Hathern. * * * * * * * * * * Bennet’s Row. GR9 2274 / Page 38. Catherine Powell.Widow.70. Seamer. Born Loughb’o. * * * * * * * * * * Pinfold.GR9 / 2274. / Page 29a. James Powell. Head.42. Angora Spinner. Mary. Wife. 37. John. Son. 15. Angora Factory Boy. Sarah. Dau.13. Ditto Girl. Kate. Dau. 11. Mary. Dau. 9. Nurse girl. James. Son.6. Scholar. Charlotte.Dau.4.Ditto. William. Son. 2. THOMAS. Son. 6 weeks. ( Birth Certificate No. 7a. 114. Jan Qrt. Loughb’o 1861.) All Born in Loughb’o. * * * * * * * * * And still there in 1881 with addition of George. . . . . Dwelling: 4 Pinfold Gate Court E Census Place: Loughborough, Leicester, England Source: FHL Film 1341750 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3145 Folio 70 Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James POWELL M 56 M Loughborough, Leicester, England Rel: Head Occ: Spinner Merino (Wool and Cotton Mf) Mary POWELL M 55 F Nottingham, England Rel: Wife Thomas POWELL U 20 M Loughborough, Leicester, England Rel: Son Occ: F W K Hosiery (Merino) George W. POWELL 12 M Loughborough, Leicester, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * There WAS A JAMES & MARY POWEL ( On the 1861. Census.) Both 31. With NO Family. At Abbey Sq.GR9 / 2275 / Page 27. But these were not there in 1891. In fact found him in the Leicester Workhouse 1881. But Thomas (30) was with his own Family in Loughb'o (1891.). . . . * * * * * * * * * * * * * Burials Found for Loughb’o :- LOUGHBOROUGH ALL SAINTS POWELL SARAH 3 JAN 1847 INF DAU OF JAMES & MARY POWELL CHARLOTTE 29 SEP 1863 6 PINFOLD STREET POWELL ELIZA 9 NOV 1863 9MTHS PINFOLD STREET POWELL WILLIAM 20 MAY 1867 8 PINFOLD GATE Sorry the 1871 Census will not be out till Spring 2005. So can’t confirm if there was ever an Edward.? So wonder if Thomas's middle name was Edward ? and he used that on the 1901. ? But if you want any more help then post again here. MIKE.

Mike City and County are a bonus, did not expect them. Many thanks. Is there anything you do NOT know about Genealogy in Leics? will keep trying till I stump you. LOL. Cheers Jon

Did more people live in Leicestershire than anywhere else or is it just that Mike is so generous in solving so many people's tree problems? In order to keep track of whether any of these threads might have more info for me, I note down how many posts they have from time to time. This one has twice as many as the next nearest! By the way, Mike... if you do spot any more info about the Bennett family in North Kilworth... my husband (and son who's visiting at the moment) do let me onto the computer occasionally to look... But you have already found some really useful info already, so I shouldn't be greedy. ;-) Christine

POWELL on 1901 census it say loughbourogh. Edward powell would be 1 or under in 1861 and in 1871 he would be about 10ish. have no info who parents are etc. if anyone has this in there tree. email me please. will reply to all. thanks :-)

Thanks Mike, you are fantastic! I promise I will leave you alone for a while now...... I will go back and start annoying the Londoners once more! Sarah

Greeting's Again Elizabeth. . . . Your very Welcome. . . MIKE.

Greeting's Again Sarah. . . . Right..... we are singing off the same Hymn sheet now. . . Sorry 1871. Census not out till early 2005. :0((( I think Thomas's Parents were ? from 1861 Census :- RG 9 2260 / Page 85. Upper Bond St. Hinckley. Joseph Smith. Head. 60. Manufacturer of Cotton ( Hosiery) Born Bedworth. Warwickshire. ( 1801.) Ursula. Wife. 48. Born Hinckley. (1813.) THOMAS. Son. Born Hinckley.( 1848.) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * But Sarah is more difficult to solve ! ! . . . without the 1871. Census. . . But if you want a Birth Certificate for Sarah Jane then . . . . * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * April Qrt. 1867. SARAH JANE SMART. Hinckley. Cert. No. 7A. 59. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * That hopefully will give you the answer. . . . Worth £7. for a peaceful Life. . . lol :0))) MIKE.

Thanks again Mike, that is the one I had seen. I just cannot work out who the mother is...... In my best whingy voice...... Swap treeeeeeees...... LOL! Thankyou for all the effort you have put in to finding my awful ancestors! Sarah

good evening mike, mill of thanks re the atkins of market bosworth. liz

Greeting’s Again Sarah. . . . I'm afraid 1871 will not be out till early 2005. . . But is this the One from my 1881 Disks ? Dwelling: 3 Crown Terr Census Place: Hinckley, Leicester, England Source: FHL Film 1341747 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3131 Folio 60 Page 13 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thos. SMITH M 33 M Hinckley, Leicester, England Rel: Head Occ: Grocers Porter Sophia SMITH M 34 F Hinckley, Leicester, England Rel: Wife Sarah J. SMART 14 F Hinckley, Leicester, England Rel: Daur Occ: Stocking Making Clara SMITH 9 F Hinckley, Leicester, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Thomas SMITH 3 M Hinckley, Leicester, England Rel: Son Emma SMITH 1 F Hinckley, Leicester, England Rel: Daur Mary SMART W 74 F Hinckley, Leicester, England Rel: Mother Occ: Annuitant John HUDSON U 67 M Hinckley, Leicester, England Rel: Lodger Occ: Laborer Lavinia FREEMAN U 16 F Hinckley, Leicester, England Rel: Lodger Occ: Stocking Making. MIKE.

“ COUNTY “ Marriages for :- TOMKINS.. Thomas ~ Mary Manchester. Eaton. 1811. Mary ~ Benjamin Burdet. Bringhurst. 1812. John ~ Mary Lee. 1827. MKT Harborough. Elizabeth ~ William Chapman. 1821. Bringhurst. James ~ Elizabeth Ewerdin(e) 1802. Plungar. James ~ Catherine Shilcock. 1816. Dalby Parva. James ~ Mary Marvell. 1832. Lubenham. Dinah ~ John Ashton. 1830. Lubenham. Elizabeth ~ Richard Nichols. 1815. Bringhurst. Ann ~ Thomas Nichols. 1815. Bringhurst. Ann ~ James Allen. 1801. Lubenham. William ~ Mary Stepkins. 1825. Bowden Magna. Thomas ~ Ann Stevens. 1834. Grimston. TOM(P)KINS. Samuel ~ Mary Johnson. 1812. Countesthorpe. Samuel ~ Elizabeth Ward. 1832. Countesthorpe. TOMKIN. Mary ~ Thomas Ruddington. 1811. Countesthorpe. Mary ~ Benjamin Rudd. 1816. Enderby. That’s the lot now unless someone knows more. MIKE.

Mike its me again! As I have hit a blank with my Staniforth/Hincks lot, I have decided to move back to the awkward ones on the other side! I was wondering if you have the 1871? If yes, could you do a look up for a Sarah Jane Smart, born 1867, Hinckley. I have found her on the 1881, but she is 14, living with a 74 year old woman of the same surname, and a whole number of others! I have tried ancestry with no joy..... On the 1881 they are in Hinckley, so I am hoping that Ancestry has just not got them transcribed, not that they are as illusive as my others!! I would like to know her parents - I think its unlikely her mother was 60 when she was born, but hey, with my family, it seems nothing can surprise!! Many thanks, I really do owe you a favour. Sarah

Greeting’s Again John. . . . Tomkins and possible spellings on Name. . . CITY Marriages 1754. ~ 1800. ELIZABETH TOM(P)KINS 16 APR 1779 JOHN HURST L A = Leic. All Saints L =Licence. ROBERT TOM(P)SON 29 AUG 1756 REBECCA GREEN L MY = Leic. Mary de Castro B = Banns ELI TOMALIN 8 DEC 1798 ESTHER LUDLAM L A B ELIZABETH TOMBLIN 24 AUG 1783 GEORGE COOPER L MG =Leic. St. Margaret’s L SARAH TOMKIN 4 MAR 1761 EDWARD GARDINER L MG B ELIZABETH TOMKING 29 DEC 1791 THOMAS HASKARD L MY B WILLIAM TOMKINS 15 SEP 1758 ANN LAURD L A B MIKE.

Mike St Margaret's marriages. Excellent, many, many thanks Jon

St. Margaret’s Church Marriages for Tompkin. . .1837 ~1897. Entry No. 90, MAR 6, 1843, after Banns JAMES TOMPKIN, full age, bach. FWK, of HAMPDEN St, s. of SAMUEL TOMPKIN, FWK LOIS HERBERT, full age, sp. FWK, of CHARLES St, d. of JAMES HERBERT, FWK Wits: WILLIAM DAWSON, ANN HERBERT Entry No.104, MAR 26, 1843, after Banns WILLIAM DAWSON, full age, bach. COACHMAN, of UPPER CHARLES St, s. of WILLIAM DAWSON, FWK ELISABETH TOMPKIN, full age, sp. SERVANT, of UPPER CHARLES St, d. of SAMUEL TOMPKIN, FWK Wits: JAMES TOMPKIN, ELISABETH DAWSON Entry No.170, MAR 4, 1845, by Licence HENRY JARVIS, full age, bach. HOSIER, of ALL SAINTS, s. of JOHN JARVIS, GENTLEMAN ELIZABETH TOMPKIN, full age, sp. of LONDON Rd, d. of JOHN TOMPKIN, FARMER Wits: HENRY WHATELEY, CHARLOTTE JARVIS Entry No.274, NOV 20, 1851, on Superintendent Registrar's Certificate THOMAS TOMKINS, 33, bach. CORDWAINER, of ROYAL KENT St, s. of WILLIAM TOMKINS, CORDWAINER ANNE RENNIE, 29, wid. of ROYAL KENT St, d. of THOMAS OGGLES, WOOL COMBER Wits: DINAH FREER, WILLIAM FOSTER Entry No.305, DEC 25, 1851, after Banns GEORGE TOMKINS, 22, bach. CHIMNEY SWEEPER, of ROYAL EAST St, s. of WILLIAM TOMKINS, LABORER ELIZA GREGORY, 20, sp. of ROYAL EAST St, d. of JOHN GREGORY, BRAZIER Wits: SAMUEL FOX, LOUISA FOX Entry No.455, SEP 19, 1860, after Banns HENRY HUNT, 20, bach. FWK, of RUSSELL St, s. of RICHARD HUNT, FWK LOUISA TOMKINS, 20, sp. of SANVEY GATE, d. of SAMUEL TOMKINS, FWK Wits: ROBERT ORSON, RACHEL ORSON Entry No.25, JAN 31, 1861, after Banns WILLIAM CALVERT, 25, bach. FRAME SMITH, of 39, PINGLE St, s. of WILLIAM CALVERT, DYER ELIZABETH GLOVER, 27, sp. of 37, PINGLE St, d. of GEORGE GLOVER, SHOE MAKER Wits: JOSEPH COPE CALVERT, MARY ANN GLOVER Entry No.474, APR 15, 1865, after Banns AMBROSE TOMKINS, 20, bach. SHOE MAKER, of NORTHUMBERLAND St, s. of SAMUEL TOMKINS, FWK ELIZABETH TEBBUTT, 20, sp. of FOUNDRY LANE, d. of THOMAS TEBBUTT, MOULDER Wits: JOSEPH TOMKINS, ELIZABETH MASON Entry No.347, OCT 13, 1866, after Banns JAMES WARNER, 22, bach. BRICKLAYER, of CRAVEN St, s. of JACOB WARNER, BRICKLAYER ELIZABETH TOMKINS, 19, sp. of SANVEY GATE, d. of SAMUEL TOMKINS, FWK Wits: WILLIAM CHARLESWORTH, ELIZA COPSON Entry No.179, MAR 22, 1868, on Superintendent Registrar's Certificate WILLIAM TOMPKIN, 21, bach. COMPOSITOR, of WHARF St, s. of WILLIAM TOMPKIN, PLUMBER & GLAZIER CHARLOTTE NORMAN, 21, sp. of BOW St, d. of JAMES NORMAN, LABOURER Wits: JOHN MIDDLETON, LEAH MARY TOMPKIN Entry No.105, DEC 27, 1873, after Banns ALFRED THORNTON, 18, bach. MECHANIC, of BRITANNIA St, s. of JAMES THORNTON, GLAZIER MARY ANN TOMKINS, 18, sp. of BRITANNIA St, d. of GEORGE TOMKINS, CONTRACTOR Wits: JOHN LAMBERT, ELLEN HARRISON Entry No.407, MAY 17, 1875, after Banns WILLIAM SIMPSON TOMKINS, 24, bach. LABOURER, of CHARLOTTE St, s. of JOHN SIMPSON TOMKINS, BOATMAN LUCY PEPPER, 18, sp. of CHARLOTTE St, d. of JAMES PEPPER, BOATMAN Wits: MAVYS ANN BENNETT, SAM. FLAVELL Entry No.43, APR 16, 1881, after Banns FRANCIS LEESON, 23, bach. PAINTER, of 19, JOHN St, s. of ALFRED LEESON (DEC'D), FRENCH POLISHER CAROLINE TOMKINS, 21, sp. of JOHN St, d. of GEORGE TOMKINS, LABOURER Wits: JOHN CROXTALL, CHARLOTTE LEESON Entry No.201, AUG 26, 1882, after Banns JOHN THOMAS MERRALL, 24, bach. SPINNER, of 24, HEANOR St, s. of JOHN MERRALL, MECHANIC EMMA TOMKINS, 22, sp. of 22, HEANOR St, d. of JOSEPH TOMKINS, FWK Wits: WILLIAM BROUGHTON, ADA MERRALL Entry No.170, APR 9, 1887, after Banns HENRY LANGTON, 21, bach. SHOE MAKER, of 2, HULL St, s. of JOHN LANGTON, FWK JANE TOMKINS, 19, sp. of 2, HULL St, d. of GEORGE TOMKINS, CONTRACTOR Wits: RICHARD ABELL, ANNIE TOMKINS