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Greeting’s Again Nicola. . . Think this is Florence 1881. despite the spelling of her name. Looks like some Private School of some sorts. Dwelling: High Street Belle Vue House Census Place: Holbeach, Lincoln, England Source: FHL Film 1341765 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3211 Folio 28 Page 12 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Julia BARBER U 32 F Spalding, Lincoln, England Rel: Head Occ: Schoolmistress Kate TINSLEY U 30 F Holbeach, Lincoln, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Assistant Housekeeper Sarah Eleanor WILKINSON U 22 F Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Governess (Teacher) Bianka KUNTZE U 19 F Silesia Kartowitz, Austria Rel: Boarder Occ: Governess (Teacher) Fanny PATRICK U 17 F Long Sutton, Lincoln, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar Jenny DUNHAM U 16 F Horncastle, Lincoln, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar Amy LIEBICH U 15 F Brighton, Sussex, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar Gertrude WAITE U 15 F Holbeach, Lincoln, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar Ada MAYS U 15 F Bourn, Lincoln, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar Nelly MAYS 14 F Bourn, Lincoln, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar Edith MAYS 14 F Bourn, Lincoln, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar Bessie WRIGHT 14 F Halstead, Essex, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar Drusilla FRANKLIN 12 F Nottingham, Nottingham, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar Alice BOWSER 12 F Frithville, Lincoln, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar Florence PLOWMAN 11 F Moulton, Lincoln, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar Selina HAYES U 20 F Louth, Lincoln, England Rel: Servt Occ: Domestic Servt Housemaid Susanna SPOONER U 16 F Walpole, Norfolk, England Rel: Servt Occ: Domestic Servt Kitchenmaid MIKE.

Mike, thanks for looking up the Lovedays in 1861.

Greeting's Nicola. . . Think this is your man 1881. I had a look at 1837 site re birth the only one from 1852 -1866 was this one. . . George Millar. April Qrt 1863. Grantham. Cert. No.. . .7a. 441. I use to sit on the steps of No. 2. Gopsall St back in the 50's. Only 12 houses in Wolverton Road on my 1912 Map. Also only one Millar in Leicestershire 1891. 2517.92. Long Whatton. John Millar. Head.81. MIKE. Dwelling: 19 Swinegate Census Place: Grantham, Lincoln, England Source: FHL Film 1341770 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3231 Folio 148 Page 28 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Mary A. RIPPON W 53 F Long Thorpe, Northampton, England Rel: Head Occ: Plumbers Widow Frederick W. RIPPON U 21 M Grantham, Lincoln, England Rel: Son Occ: Plumber Robert H.J. RIPPON U 18 M Grantham, Lincoln, England Rel: Son Occ: Outfitters Apprentice William A.T. RIPPON 14 M Grantham, Lincoln, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Charles MILLAR U 19 M Ingoldsby, Lincoln, England Rel: Lodger Occ: Cabinet Makers Apprentice George A. MILLAR U 17 M Ingoldsby, Lincoln, England Rel: Lodger Occ: Plumbers Apprentice Ann E. BONSER U 44 F Nottingham, Nottingham, England Rel: Lodger Occ: Income Derived From House Property

George Millar Born in Ingoldsby, Lincolnshire. (nr Grantham/Spalding). (I have no dob) George was a Master Plumber and in 1896 he walked from Lincolnshire to Leicester to find work. George was a successful plumber and not only owned the family house at number 2 Gopsall Street, opposite St Peters Church in the Highfields, Leicester but also 2 rows of houses, one in Martin Street, Leicester and another in Wolverton Road, Leicester. He married Florence Ploughman. Born in Moulton Chapel Lincolnshire. (nr Spalding) Florence was educated at boarding school. Her older sisters were presented at court ('coming out' as it was called in those days was when girls were considered old enough to be presented to royal society at a special coming out ball and then attended all the social events of 'the season' which included Ascot Races, Henley Regatta etc and where they would have their first contact with men and hopefully find a rich husband). Florence missed all this by marrying George Millar, whom the rest of the family thought to be totally unsuitable. The Ploughman family had been the first to bring bulbs back from Holland to Lincolnshire to establish the now famous Spalding bulb fields. George and Florence had six children who survived: Dorothy, Madeline, Arthur & Barbara the twins, Florence and Olive. There was also another set of twins who died. Two daughters married two of the Minchin brothers who were local to the area. I am completely stuck with this now - nothing on 1901 census, have checked 1837 online and other websites too. Any info you could give me would be great. i am doing all my research from Sydney Australia where I am currently living, so it makes things a tad more difficult! Thanks! Nicky

Mike.....LOL Sue I think my rellies used to bring out the dead.......when it was the plague................

Greeting’s Again Jean. . . 1841. Census. . . SORRY Charles Shepard is NOT in QUORNDON or (NEW) QUORN. . . But spotted theses. . . HO107/594/08/Page 16. Chapel St. QUORNDON. William Bates.60.Wheelwright.Born out of County. Hannah.Wife.60.Born within County. Isac.Son.30.Wheelwright.Born within County. HO107/594/08/Page 26. New Quorn. George Freer. 35. Lace Maker. Elizaberth.Wife.30. William.Son.11. Charles.Son. Frederick.Son.7. John.Son.5. James.Son.3. Elizabeth.Dau.1 Month. All born within the county. HO107/594/08/Page 36. Leicester Rd. New Quorn. Joseph Bates.50.Wheelwright. Alice.Wife.45. Mary.Dau.20. Joseph.Son.15. Thomas.Son.15. Ann.Dau.15. Richard.Son.13. Matilda.Dau.11. Emmily.Dau.7. Catherine.Dau.5. (Careful of those 15 year olds Might not be right it’s the 1841. Census.) All born within the County. HO107/594/08/Page 46. Barrowgate. John Freer. 35. Ag.Lab. Fanny.Wife.40. Ann.Dau.13. William.Son.10. Emma.Dau.8. John.Son.4. Sarah.Dau.2. Mary. Dau. 5 Months. All Born within the County. HO107/594/08/Page 42. Barrowgate. Thomas Freer.60. Ag. Lab. Mary.Wife.55. George.Son.12. All Born within the County. OH and found. . . . HO107/594/08 Page. 06. Thomas De' Laren. 50. Lace Maker. Mary.Wife.60. Jane.Dau.15. Sarah.Dau.14. Tailoring Lace. Thomas.Son.10. All Born within the County. MIKE.

Sue. . . . Pheeew . . .:0))) We Know a Song all about Wigston Magna, Knighton,and Leicester Don't we.... " RING-A-RING -A - ROSEY ". . . . lol :0))))

Yes i live in Countesthorpe, my dad was born here and his family lived here since just before the first world war but most of the family further back are from the city of Leicester and Wigston Magna so thats where most of my research is based.

Hi Paula, I didn't know that. The bakers belonged to my gt gt grandfather's brother William Burley Ringrose (no not thee William Mike, if you are looking in) Do you live in Countesthorpe then Paula? Only been once but didn't have time to look around much, but it looks a nice place. Regards Sue..............

Greeting’s Again Marion. . . . Sorry NO SIGN of Charles on 1841.& 1851. Or Marriage of Elizabeth. and Death of William (Father) But here are your Harris Families 1841. Hugglescote. HO107/601/11. Page 06. Hugglescote Village. Sarah Harris. 40.Servant.Born in the County. HO107/601/11. Page 08. Hugglescote Village. Samuel Harris. Head. 35.Ag. Lab. Rebecca ? Wife.30. Margaret.Dau.10. Elizabeth.Dau.9. James.Son.7. Sarah.Dau.5. Jane.Dau.1. All born in the Leicestershire County. HO107/601/11. Page 10. Hugglescote Village. John Harris.45. Ag. Lab. Margaret. Wife.35. Joseph.Son.11. John.Son.8. Elizabeth.Dau.6. Jane.Dau.1. All Born in the County. HO107/601/11. Page 24. Battleflats. Thomas Harris.40.Farmer.Born Derbyshire. Mary.Wife.40. Born Staffordshire. John.Son.18. Born Staffs. James.Son.16. Sarah.Dau.14. Richard.Son.12. Robert.Son.10. Ann.Dau.8. Ellen.Dau.6. William.Son.4. Angelia ? Dau. 1 Month. HO107/601/11. Page 24. The Grange. William Harris.40. Farmer. Born Derbyshire. Sarah.Wife.35. William.Son.17. Jane.Dau.12. Neal ? Son.10. Harriet.Dau.6. Cililia.Dau.3. HO107/601/11. Page 25. The Grange. George Harris. 35.Farmer.Born Derbyshire. Jane.Wife.30. Born Staffs. Edward.Son.12. Born Staffs. Arthur.Son.10.Born in the County. Elizabeth.Dau.10.Born in County. HO107/601/11. Page 25. The Grange. Millicent Harris.Head.70. Farmer. Born Derbyshire. Joseph Harris.50. Shepard. Born Derbyshire. Thomas.Son.20. Ag.Lab. Born Derbyshire. Thomas Marlow.17. Ag.Servant. MIKE. MAUD. . . . There are 33 X " Copeland's" in the present Phone Book. I knew of a " George Copeland " Master Builder Oxford Street Leicester Back in 1980's But I believe he has Died and the Company closed. MIKE.

Hi Mike have e mailed you about the Harris's in Hugglescote- marion

Hi I`m searching for any living COPELAND descendants connected to WILLIAM FRANCIS COPELAND married Emma (?) 1869/1870 William=Emma moved to Leicester sometime in 1891, William died there in 1915. In 1914 he was living at Fosse Rd His son Benjamin was a builder at Humberstone Gate in 1922

Greeting’s Jean. . . . Early Marriages Found. . . . Hungerton. . . . Mary Bates – Samuel Lowe. 1801. By Banns. Jane Bates –William Crossland ? ? /Cropland. ? ? 1816. By Banns. Elizabeth Bates – Daniel Measures. 1817. By Licence. WILLIAM BATES – MARY JACKSON. By Banns 1817. Queniborough . . . . Note spelling for OLDACRE. . . Sarah OLDAKER. - George Buswell. 1811. By Banns. Frisby on the Wreake. . .4.4 miles from Queniborough. WILLIAM OLDAKER. – CATHERINE GLOVER. 1825.By Banns. No Freer’s Found. . .Sorry. MIKE.

Sue Not sure if you know Countesthorpe well but we've heard a rumour that the old Ringrose bakery (now Dine India) is going to be developed for housing. The Dine India People have bought the Cock Inn at Arnsby and are turning that into an Indian restaurant so are supposedly selling Dine India for housing. Will be a sad day if it happens cus even though it ain't a bakery anymore the outside has been vaguely the same for years Paula

Greeting’s Jean. . . . 1841. Census. . . Sileby. . .” Freer.” . . . Sorry drew a blank. . . Queniborough. . .” Oldacre “ . . . Several faded pages but . . . . . HO107 593.05.Page 06. Main Street. William Oldacre. Head. 40. Ag. Lab. Catherine. Wife. 50. John. Son. 14. Elizabeth. Dau. 9. All born in the County of Leicestershire. Hungerton. . .” Bates.” . . Again Several faded pages but . . . . . HO107 592. 22. Page 08. In the Village. William Bates. Head. 50. Ag. Lab. Mary. Wife. 35. William Son. 21. Ag. Lab. Susanna. Dau. 22. John. Son. 4 Months. (not sure if John is Susanna’s or Mary’s ? but the way it’s placed I would say yes.) All born in the County of Leicestershire. HO107. 592 22. Page 07. William Bates. Head. 80. Ag Lab. NOT Born in the County of Leicestershire. Marry. Wife. 60. Born in the County of Leicestershire. Hope this is of help. Ah. . .” Hungerton ”. . . . Memories of my 1st.Wolf Cub Camp back in 1950. . . . It was raining back then had to stay in the Village hall in the end. . . But. . .” Happy days.” . . MIKE.

Evening Mike, They are my Burley's, thankyou for finding them, but don't seem to have those Lords as yet but I will keep them just in case. Regards Sue

Thanks anyway Mike. Haven't done a great deal yet on hubby's side of the family - got as far as his grandparents' marriage and 2 births / baptisms for their children. They're not going anywhere so when I feel I've come to a stop with N.E. rellies, they'll be waiting! (Though I confess to peeking at the parish registers when I'm at the library transcribing!) Jan

Greeting’s Sue. . . From the original Census returns 1861. Countesthorpe. Wonder if this is your Ann Lord and Benjamin Warburton you asked about ? as I couldn't match up anyone with the details you posted earlier. . . . RG9/2256 102. Jackson Lane. BENJAMIN LORD. Head. 29. (1832.) FWK. Born Countesthorpe. ANN. Wife. 32. (1829.) SARAH. Dau. 8. Scholar. Born Countesthorpe. EDWIN. Son. 5. Scholar. Born Countesthorpe. JANE. Dau. 2. NEXT DOOR. . . MARY PALLET. Widow. 72. Born Countesthorpe. JAMES LORD. Unmarried. 30. FWK. Born Countesthorpe, GEORGE LORD. “ “ G/Son. 21.FWK. Born Countesthorpe. ELIZA LORD. G/Dau. 8. Scholar. Born Countesthorpe. WILLIAM LORD. Lodger. 47. FWK. Born Countesthorpe. Further down Jackson Lane. . . EBENEZER LORD. Head. 47. FWK. Born Countesthorpe. ANN LORD. Wife. 48. Born Countesthorpe. RG9/2256 105. Burley’s Yard. JAMES BURLEY. Head. 48.(1813.) Baker. Born Countesthorpe. ELIZABETH. Wife. 46.(1815.) Born WILLOUGHBY WATERLESS. SAMUEL. Son. 22. FWK. Born Countesthorpe. EDWARD. Son. 9. Born Countesthorpe. LUCY. Dau. 4.Born Countesthorpe. ELIZA. NICE. 10.Born Countesthorpe. CONFIRMATION. . . . JAMES BURLEY & ELIZABETH ( Née JAMES ) Married 1836. WILLOUGHBY WATERLESS. RG9/2256 102. Roebuck Lane. ELIZABETH FOSTER (or FORTER) Married. Head. 55. Victualler. Born Countesthorpe. MARY ANN BURLEY. Dau. 21. Milliner. Born Countesthorpe. FREDERICK FOSTER/FORTER. Son. 13. Scholar. Born Countesthorpe. BRENDA. . . "Your very welcome" and thank you for your kind words. If I can help you further then I will.So saving you further expense. We're not into forking out more money than we can help. . . JAN. . . . You Posted "MOORES" but only can find " MORE" 1851 &1861. Sorry drew a blank on " Burrow(s)" 1851 & 1851. I'll try a different spelling. . . MIKE.

My thanks to Mike for his very quick response and wonderful "finds"really made my day and spurred me on . Brenda

Mike 'n' Sue No wonder the other thread seems to have gone dead - you've just migrated over here followed by the ..... no, I can't bring myself to say it.... Jan on the lookout for Moores in whitwick and Burrows in Stanton- u -Bardon