Genealogy Chat

Hi Jon I dont know whether these will be of any use till Mike gets back to you. Tomkins marriages St Margarets William Simpson 1875 Lucy Pepper Ambrose 1865 Elizabeth Tebbutt Benjamin 1870 Sarah Ann Sims Caroline 1881 Francis Leeson Elizabeth 1866 James Warner Emma 1882 John Thomas Merrall George 1851 Eliza Gregory Jane 1887 Henry Langton Louisa 1860 Henry Hunt Mary 1842 Thos Gilbert Badcock Mary Ann 1873 Alfred Thorton Samuel 1870 Elizabeth Tomlin Sarah Ann 1861 Henry Quinn Thomas 1851 Anne Rennie

Hi Mike! Its been a while since I asked for a favour (well about a fortnight!), and I was wondering if I could ask for your help. I am looking to trace unknown unknown (lol!), who was married to Richard Hincks, born Barwell in 1830/31. They had a son Richard born 1855. I have found a Richard of the right age and birthplace on later census's (81+91),both in Derby and married to a woman who was from Derby - maybe a second wife, maybe the first. It doesnt feel right though and I wondered if you could check the 51/61 census records for me?? Thankyou duckie (again!) Sarah

Mike Nudge -- St Margarets marriages (TOMKINS) Jon

Greeting’s Again Geraldine. . . . Sorry it’s only index details. . . 2092 / 47. 1851 Census. . . Within the Village of Greetham. Francis John Baxter. Head. 54. Catherine. Wife. 54. FRANCIS.Son.27. Maria.Dau.25. Robert. D. Son. 24. Agnes.Dau.21. Edward George Baxter. Grandson.1. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Thinking aloud here. . . . The way it was set out It looks like Edward G. is the son of Francis. Could it be that his wife (Ann) was away Having another Child on the night of Sunday 30th. March. 1851. The night of the census ? And we can only answer that one by looking at the next census Returns in 1861. Do you know where they would have been in 1861.then ? Hope this helps. . . . . MIKE.

Greeting's Elizabeth. . . . Can you tell me which years are you interested in please ? and is it in the village of MKT.Bosworth or a village within the District of MKT. Bosworth ? Greeting's Tracy. . . . . Likewise which years are you interested in Also which of the TWO BELTONS are you looking at is it the one to the north west of Shepshed or the one on the border of Leicestershire and Rutland ? MIKE.

GOOD MORNING MIKE I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD HELP ME WITH THE ATKINS FAMILY OF MARKET BOSWORTH, MANY THANKS, LIZ

\hi would it be possible for you to look for any Wallace family from Belton Leicester Thanks Tracy

Greeting’s Jean. . . from Zummar zet. . . Where the Zidder Apples grow. . . I’m sorry to have to disappoint you and after that great build up. I couldn't’t place all the names and dates given to make up a Brown Family. Either in 1851. Or 1861.Census for the CITY of Leicester. So I checked out the Loughborough Area 1851. Due to the fact Ann & Edwin were born there. I matched up Ann (12) & Edwin (2) dates exactly, but no Elizabeth ! ! Could they have been with grand parents ? Do you know the Maiden name of Elizabeth b.1817.Burbage ? I might be able to pick her up on the 1841 Census Or through her marriage then ? I’ve had a look for the birth of ELIZA. 1850 ~ 1854. The only Leicester birth was the Following :- ELIZA BROWN. April Qrt. 1853. Leicester. Certificate No. 7a. 199. But you might already tried this one ? Sorry I couldn't’t solve your puzzle this time round But do get back if you need further help. MIKE. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RUTH. . . Welcome back M’ Duck. . . Sounds like you had fun. . . lol:0))) If you send me your address via GR. Then I can pop these print outs of Wale/Hunt Census returns in the post. MIKE. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LOUISE SHARPE. . . If you post which years for Ibstock. Then I’ll see if I can find them for you. I also see from another thread you have families in the Vale of Belvoir ? I have some of these villages on the 1841 Census returns. If I can help then just ask and I'll see what comes up. MIKE. Greeting's again Geraldine. . . . Copied those details I'll get back as soon as poss. Yes my Auntie was very surprised when I presented her with a illuminated Family Tree for her 90th. Birthday. . . MIKE. Cor. . ." it's like pushing string up hill " It's taken over an hour to post this. . . .grrrr

Hi Mike, Went back to 1881 census and I am sure Albert Victor matches up with my Albert Victor on the wedding certificate when working out ages. Williams date of birth is 1846 so will have another go tomorow looking up what I can from home Cheers Elaine

Thanks so much Mike you've found more in less than 12hrs than I've found in 12mths!!!!(LOL) You are right there has to be one awkward one and at the moment Richard is the 'one'. We think he came from Nuneaton as that was where his two eldest were born. His wife Ann (Pegg) was born there too. They were married in Nuneaton in May 1808. Never mind back to the drawing board as they say. Can you mail me direct if you come up with anything else as I have three teenagers and can't always get on to the computer at home so I have to take a peek whilst I am at work and I can't access GR from there. thanks again Janet xxx

Greeting's Again Janet. . . . Here they are again in :- 1861.Scanned Census Return. RG 9 / 2260./ 13 /13a. Wood Street. Hinckley. PINCHESS JOHN. HEAD. 44. Cotton Frame Stocking Knitter. PINCHESS ELIZABETH. WIFE. 42 Seamer. PINCHESS MARTHA. DAU. 21. Cotton Frame Stocking Knitter. PINCHESS JOHN. SON 18. Ditto. PINCHESS ANN. DAU 10. Ditto. PINCHESS ALICE. DAU 8. Scholar. PINCHESS ELIZA. DAU 2. PINCHESS EDWARD. SON. 2MTHS. All Born in Hinckley Leicestershire. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Also Found the Marriage of :- John Pinchess ~ Elizabeth Henson. 1837. by Banns. St Mary's Hinckley. MIKE.

Greeting’s Again Janet. . . I’m ½ Way through Hinckley Census 1841. But I think We’ve found the Family you were looking for :- HO107 /601 /05 /Page 12 ~13. Wood Street, Hinckley. Ann PINCHESS. 55. Charwoman. NOT Born within the County. Martha. Dau. 15. Stocking Maker. Joseph.Son.15. Stocking Maker. Thomas.Son.13. Stocking Maker. John. Son. 20. Stocking maker. Elizabeth.20. Stocking Maker. Martha. Dau. 1. All Born within the County of Leicestershire Except Ann. Don't forget they messed about with the ages on the 1841 Census. (Went to the nearest 5 years.) * * * * * * * * * * * * No RICHARD found and it looks like. . . John. Son 20.is Married to Elizabeth.20. And has a Dau. Martha. 1. When I get back tonight I’ll have a look on some of my other disks To see if I can throw an light on RICHARD for you. “ There has to be one awkward one ! ! ! “ lol :0)))) * * * * * * * * * * * * * 1851. Census Index only.:- Hinckley Area.:- Ann PINCHESS. 65. John.35. Elizabeth.32. Martha. 11. Thomas. 8. John. 5. MIKE.

Greeting’s Janet. . . . I have to trawl through the 1841. Census for both Hinckley and St. Margaret’s Area Will take a little longer there is no search programme. . . There are the Burials I’ve found for a start. . . . Area. Name. Date. Age. HINCKLEY ST MARY. PINCHESS ANN. 20 OCT 1888. 62 HINCKLEY ST MARY. PINCHESS FRED. 6 DEC 1888. 14MTHS No Burials of the Names given within the Parishes of :- St Margaret’s, St. George’s, St. Martin’s, Or St. Mary De Castro. But there are the Burials for the Surnames given for Welford road Cemetery which was the principle Cemetery in those days. C = Consecrated Ground. ( Could be a headstone.) U = Unconsecrated Ground. STBN. = Stillborn. PINCHER AGNES EMMA. 26 FEB 1886. 5MTHS. C PINCHER GEORGE JOHN. 31 JAN 1890. 30 C PINCHER JAMES. DEC 1878. 37. U PINCHERS EMMA. 7 FEB 1890. 5DAYS U PINCHES FREDERICK ARTHUR. 19 NOV 1887. 5DAYS U PINCHESS --- 2 OCT 1890. STBN U PINCHESS LAURA. AUG 1883. 4MTHS C More Burials found :- ADA PINCHESS. 5th. March 1882. Aged. 3. Earl Shilton. * * * * * * * * FRANCES ADA PINCHESS. 5th. February 1918. Aged. 13. Earl Shilton. * * * * * * * * Christenings :- JOHN PINCHER. Born 15/12/1871. ADA PINCHER. Born. 25/07/1877. ALFRED PINCHER. Born. 15/12/1869. CLARA ANN PINCHER. Born. 08/08/1875. JOSEPH PINCHER. Born. 15/11/1880. SARAH ANN PINCHER. Born. 01/16/1873. All the above Christened 26/06/1881. * * * * * * * * * * * EDWARD PINCHER. No birth date given. Christened:- 10th Nov. 1889. * * * * * * * * * * * Parents to ALL are :- Father :- Edward Pincher. Mother :- Ann. And all at Earl Shilton. Off to start the search now I’ll get back latter tonight. Oh. . . do you want me to have a look in the Warwickshire 1841. If I can’t find them in Leicester Hinckley Area ? MIKE.

Hi Mike Don't know if you can help me but I am looking for any PINCHESS / PINCHER in the St Margaret's area of Leicester also in the Hinckley area. I am having real trouble finding Richard Pincher (bn Nuneaton c1786) his family moved to Hinckley any chance of looking on the 1841 to see if he was about or perhaps he had died before then. Family members could have been wife Ann, sons John, Joseph and a couple more children. Many thanks Janet

Greeting’s Again Elaine. . . I’ve looked at the details of the Family you mentioned (1881 Census) At 45,Outram St. Which is off Oxford Street. So Albert Victor was born 1872. So. . . . can you check his age from that Marriage certificate you have. Hopefully it will match or be close enough to the above to say. . ” YES GOT HIM ! ! “ TIP OF THE DAY. . . Always write down details of where your research details came from. So you don’t repeat it again. Or you know where to go to recheck. Think this is the marriage of the Mary Ann you mentioned (1852) Both from St Margaret's Church. . . . . Entry No.54, SEP 23, 1852, after Banns WILLIAM WARD, 23, bach. FWK, of DRYDEN St, s. of JOHN WARD, FWK MARY ANNE ADCOCK, 25, sp. of GROSVENOR St, d. of JOSEPH ADCOCK, FWK Wits: JOHN BENT, ELIZA ADCOCK. And this is the other one 1847 :- Entry No.22, DEC 25, 1847, after Banns WILLIAM WARD, full age, bach. MOULDER, of LEE St, s. of JOHN WARD, MOULDER MARY ANN CRAMP, minor, sp. of LEE St, d. of HENRY CRAMP, FARMER Wits: JAMES WARD, WILLM.? CRAMP. But I don’t think it’s any of these because:- Entry No. 54.. . .It’s only 5 years after Albert’s father (William) was born. Entry No. 22. . . If full age was 16 then this William’s birth is 1831. This is going on the details from the 1881. Census you mentioned for 45.Outram St. Don’t hesitate to get back again should you need to. . . MIKE.

Am asking for help again Mike. Albert Victor Ward is evading me but I think I have found him on the 1881 census. His parents are William Ward and Mary A Ward and there 5 other siblings. Have gone round in circles looking for him but somewhere on my travels round the net I jotted down 1847 Mary Ann Cramp and 1852 Mary Ann Adcock I think when I was looking at St Margarets so they are only a guess, have nothing to go on, the 1881 census lists these particular Wards at 45 Outram Street, I do have Alberts wedding cert to Rose Warren at St. Georges church 1899, William Warren is deceased by then but not William Ward. Thanks for your time helping Elaine

Thanks Mike, right on the ball again as usual. If you can find any entries under St Margaret's for TOMKINS it would be greatly appreciated. Jon

Greeting's Again Jon. . . . I'm still keeping my eyes peeled for you. .. . Sorry but I only have Phillimores Marriages for some of the County.Vol's:- 1.2.6.8.9.11. . . . . But if you phone the Leicester & Rutland Family History Book Shop on High Street Leicester. . . 0116 253 8745. and ask for Peter. . .Then I'm sure he would put you right. . . I do have:- St Margaret's 1754 ~1800. (Both names,date, and either Licence or Banns.) 1801 ~ 1837. (Both names,year only, Licences or Banns.) 1837 ~ 1897. (full transcribe details.) So if I can help then post details here and I'll see what I can find. . . . MIKE.

Seeking info on Phillimore marriage records for St Margarets, Leicester, which vol, are they indexed and what years are covered???. Many thanks Jon

Mike, thanks to you and finding out about the trial, have found 23 Scott Street residents in 1901 and as my grandad was born in the August 1901 I am assuming that is why he is not on the census but everything else matches and now remember his brothers names. It all came from you finding the christening of Annie. Thanks m'duck, Elaine