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Ellis On the 1901 there are no Emily HURDMAN entries at all, and no Leicester connections as far as I can see. There are only 118 of that spelling in the country! Any other clues?

The only other information we have on Emily Hurdman is a link to Litchfield,Warwickshire

Greeting's Ellis. . . Sorry NO HURDMAN in either city or County of Leicestershire 1851. 1861. 1891. The only two which came up on the 1881. for anywhere :- Dwelling: New Road Cottage Census Place: Elmley Lovett, Worcester, England Source: FHL Film 1341703 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2935 Folio 147 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William HURDMAN W 80 M Elmbridge, Worcester, England Rel: Head Occ: Labourer Thomas HURDMAN M 39 M Elmley Lovett, Worcester, England Rel: Son Occ: Railway Servant Emma HURDMAN M 37 F Hartlebury, Worcester, England Rel: Wife Jane HURDMAN U 11 F Elmley Lovett, Worcester, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Elizabeth HURDMAN U 10 F Elmley Lovett, Worcester, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar John HURDMAN U 8 M Elmley Lovett, Worcester, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Thomas Sydney HURDMAN U 6 M Elmley Lovett, Worcester, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar William James HURDMAN U 4 M Elmley Lovett, Worcester, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Emily HURDMAN U 3 F Elmley Lovett, Worcester, England Rel: Daur Geo. Harry HURDMAN U 1 M Elmley Lovett, Worcester, England. Rel: Son. Dwelling: Court Meadow Census Place: Powick, Worcester, England Source: FHL Film 1341700 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2921 Folio 35 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Unett HURDMAN M 65 M Kempsey, Worcester, England Rel: Head Occ: Servant Gardener Mary HURDMAN M 61 F Kempsey, Worcester, England Rel: Wife Emily HURDMAN U 21 F Powick, Worcester, England Rel: Grand Daur Occ: Domestic Work Do you know any years we should be looking for ? MIKE.

Greeting's again Ellis. . . Ooops. . .just seen your last post. . . If it's Lichfield then that's Staffordshire. . . . The other Litchfield is in Hampshire And on my V R I Disk's. . . I've a few HURDMAN 'S Marriages. in both County's. MIKE.

Hi all thanks for your help sorry about the slip up with Litchfield but we are in Australia. Info i can give is very vague but here goes 1. Had daughter(out of wedlock) Violet Elizabeth 15/4/1911 At 26 Parry St.and listed occ.as Housemaid. 2. Had daughter Ethel Adcock 1914? 3. In between had married John Adcock b1885 d 1947. 4. My mums cousin had told us that his uncle informed him that she had died and been buried in Litchfield where she was born. Sorry to be so vague but this is it.Hope you can help

Greeting’s Again Ellis. . . . . I found a Marriage in :- Jan-Feb-Mar. Qrt. 1913. JOHN C. ADCOCK. To . . ? ? HURDMAN. In the Market Bosworth Area of Leicestershire. Certificate No. 7a. 167. Sorry ran out of credits to cross check in the Hurdman name. * * * * * * * * * * There seems to be a lot of Adcock’s In this Area. I found births of John Anthony Adcock. April Qrt. 1886. In MKT. Bosworth Area. Cert. No. 7a. 99. * * * * * * * * Jan Qrt. 1885. Margaret Jane Adcock. MKT Bosworth Area. Cert. No. 7a. 96. Could be part of the Family Circle.? Also had a quick look at the Kelly’s TRADE Directory 1909 /10. for the City of Leicester. No number 26 Parry Street listed But. . . next door at No. 24. Sarah A. Nicola. Shopkeeper. Close .. . .sorry. . . I need to look at the Address directory for that year Which is in the Ref. Library in Town. But that will only tell me the Head of The Household at No. 26. So if you’ll bear with me for a few days I’ll see if I can come up with an answer for you. Sorry but most of my Leicestershire disks are for the years 1841. ~ 1891. But I'll help you as far as I can. I think you need to ask on the “ Trying to Find Board “ if anyone has an electoral roll for that year. MIKE.

Hi Mike, Don't panic......... no Grimsleys ( for now anyway !!) Do you have the 1871 census by any chance? i'm trying to find a birthplace for Frederick Simmons 1832-1880 ( i think), he married Ann b. 1844. their children include John Henry 1863, Reuben 1865, George 1870, (others all born after 1871), all born in Leicester. do hope this family is not another problem for you............ Jane x

Greeting’s Again Jane. . . . There they are in 1881. Minus Frederick. . . . . . . Dwelling: 44 Martin St Census Place: Leicester St Margaret, Leicester, England Source: FHL Film 1341755 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3167 Folio 21 Page 36 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Ann SIMMONDS W 37 F Loughboro Rel: Head John Henry SIMMONDS U 18 M Rel: Son Occ: Shoe Hand Reuben SIMMONDS U 16 M St Margaret Rel: Son Occ: Shoe Hand George SIMMONDS 11 M St Margaret Rel: Son Occ: Shoe Hand Sarah Charlote SIMMONDS 9 F St Margaret Rel: Daur Jane SIMMONDS 5 F St Margaret Rel: Daur Saml. SIMMONDS 2 M St Margaret Rel: Son. So the search starts from here. . . . Note spelling. . . . Off to look at the 1861. Census now, with the new spelling . . . MIKE.

Greeting’s Again Jane . . . . 1861. Scanned Census returns. . . . Note spelling again. . . RG9 2273 / Page. 51. New Street Loughborough. Frederick Simmons. Head. 35. Mar. Cordwainer. Born Radford Nott’s. Ann Simmons. Wife. Mar. 19. Born Loughborough. Frederick Jun. Son. 11. Scholar. Born Derby St.Arnold's. Parish Charles. Son. 8.Scholar. Born Newark Nott’s. Thomas. Son. 9 months. Born Loughborough. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now do your sums. . Ann’s age & the age of Frederick Jun. Ummm. . .Ann was only 8. when Frederick Jun. Was born.? ? ? So it looks like Frederick was married before and was a bit older Than you thought ? Off to see if I can find a burial for a Female Simmons. . . MIKE.

Greeting’s Again Jane. . .. Sorry a lots of burials for Simmons In all three cemetery’s in Loughborough. But non of the right age. . . Thinking along the lines of Mother died in childbirth of Thomas. Aged 9 months (1861 Census ). . But I think this is Frederick’s Welford Road. Leicester. SIMMONS FREDERICK NOV 1880. 48. Unconsecrated Ground. . . I also noted a Christening of a JANE SIMMONS. 8th.March 1882. In the Belgrave Area of Leicester. Father Frederick Simmons. Mother Ann. In the notes it says Father deceased. Time to blow out the Candle now. . . . MIKE.

SAINT MICHAEL......... ****you are an absolute star !!!**** looks like i'm finally getting somewhere with these Simmons now , thank you soooooooooo much. Didn't know of the Nottingham connection, so in the last hour i've gone back 4 more generations, will be double checking my IGI findings though. Hadn't even considered a previous marriage for Frederick, have since found his first wife to be Martha Ashmore from Derby, i'll be checking Loughboro' records in the week now for the second marriage, and also a baptism for young Thomas to find which is his mother ( i'm thinkin it to be Ann.......) Thank you once again......... Jane xxxxxxx

Greeting’s Again Jane. . . Your very welcome.. . Don't usually get get a happy reaction to finding a second marriage. . . . lol :0))) To help you the closest Martha Burial :- but not the right spelling. . . . LOUGHBOROUGH EMMANUEL CHURCH. SIMMONDS MARTHA. 1st. DEC. 1857. Aged 59. So as we’re thinking. . . . . "Could Thomas be Ann’s ?" . . . Ummmmm. " Theses are deep waters Watson". . . .lol. MIKE.

Sue Death Notices in Yorkshire Newspapers http://homepage.ntlworld(.)com/jeffery.knaggs/YDR.html Ringrose, Edward - 31 Dec 1900 - 67 - Goole Union Workhouse - Goole Times ** Ringrose, Frederick - 4 Aug 1901 - 58 - Walkington - Beverley Guardian Ringrose, William - 17 Apr 1901 - 76 - Carlton Grove, Norton - Malton Messenger

Need help badly as I cannot trace anyone particularly one side of family even on the 1901 survey and have no relatives to ask Wilfred KIrkman Moore born 19th Aug 23 Scott Street Leics Thomas William Moore Annie Elizabeth Moore formerly Hunt also William Warren who married Mary Anne Warren, he was from Northampton and have found them back to 1881 but in 1891 have found them living at what looks like George Street and also another William Warren living with the Noon family at what looks like Colton Street as in 1901 Rose E Noon is living with my great gran Rose Warren. Hope this makes sense to anyone reading because in 1901 I also can't find Albert Victor Ward who was married to Rose Warren Thanks

Thanks for that Jan have dotted them down you never know..........Sue Morning Mike.....

Morning Sue. . . Lovely day down here. . . how's it goes up there ? MIKE.

Greeting’s Elaine. . . . Sorry I’m a bit confused with the details you posted. You only gave ½. a year for Wilfred Kirkman Moore’s birth? Was the 23 the house number of Scott Street. or part of the year he was born or his age? And have you any years for:- Thomas Wiiliam Moore & Annie Elizabeth Moore nee Hunt ? Therefore couldn't confirm any details for 1891. So. . . onto the others. . . . Is this your William Warren from 1881. Census ? . .. Dwelling: 50 Junction Rd Census Place: Leicester St Margaret, Leicester, England Source: FHL Film 1341756 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3169 Folio 57 Page 14 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William WARREN M 56 M Blisworth, Northampton, England Rel: Head Occ: Newsagent Mary Ann WARREN M 44 F Leicester, Leicester, England Rel: Wife Fredrick WARREN U 23 M Leicester, Leicester, England Rel: Son Occ: Boatman Out Of Employ Thomas WARREN U 17 M Leicester, Leicester, England Rel: Son Occ: Coal Labourer Elizabeth WARREN U 16 F Leicester, Leicester, England Rel: Dau Occ: Fancy Hosiery Worker Lucy WARREN U 13 F Leicester, Leicester, England Rel: Dau Occ: Hosiery Stock Room Girl Ellen WARREN 12 F Leicester, Leicester, England Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Mary Ann WARREN 8 F Leicester, Leicester, England Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Rose WARREN 2 F Leicester, Leicester, England Rel: Dau. Think this might be the marriage of William & Mary. At St. Margaret’s Church Leicester. Look at the Occupation of Frederick above & at Williams from the marriage ? Entry No.69, JUN 26, 1856, after Banns WILLIAM WARREN, 32, bach. BOATMAN, of FOUNDRY LANE, s. of ROBERT WARREN, BOATMAN MARY ANN POWELL, 20, sp. of FOUNDRY LANE, d. of THOMAS POWELL, BOATMAN Wits: HENRY RUSSELL, ELIZA GINNS. I'll help you if I can. . . MIKE.

Mike you are a gem. I have found much the same info about the Warrens and confirmed some bits yesterday after getting on Ancestry.com through the trial. Just learning as I go a long and somewhere , I think on the Leicester site I forund Mary Ann Powell . William Warren is deceased according to the marriage cert of Rose and Albert in 1899 and his occupation was Boatman. Wifred Kirkman Moore was born 19th August 1901 at 23 Scott Street and he later married my nan Hilda Moore nee Ward. Sorry no info on Thomas or Annie Can't thank you enough Elaine

Greeting's Again Elaine.. . . Parish record worthy of noting down :- ANNIE ELIZABETH HUNT. Christening 21st. August. 1887. Blaby. Father :- William. Bricklayer. Mother:- Clara. * * * * * * * * * * * * MIKE.

Thanks Mike, have yet to make my way to Leicester to look up info. Am in Nottingham if I can ever help you or anyone and look forward to reading this message board now I have discovered you all. Back to the drawing board now, too excited to go to work tomorrow but have to! Elaine