Genealogy Chat

Shusssssh !!!! .......... " Did you not know that it's this branch of the family who are engaged in smuggling Wheelbarrows over the border ? " " Shussssh Mums the word .".... " M "

Sarah and Mike Just a thought - could your mystery village be Cossington by any chance? Jan

It could be I guess, but how can we possibly explain the other transcriptions Eather and Ftrier? Add this to the fact that she looks likely to be a Smith and I am well and truly annoyed! How could she have done that to me, had she no regard? Its bad enough that she didnt live in Barwell!! Joking aside, who knows? As the Leics side of my family seem to be such nightmares, I am once again trotting back to the other boards and looking for my London Sutherlands (like they are easier to find!). I shall return to my Mary Smith of wherever shortly! Thanks for helping, feel free to throw any suggestions in the ring, I need all the help I can get (and I surely must have permanently scarred Mike by now, just look at his previous post about wheelbarrows (?!!! LOL) ;-)) Sarah

Hi Sarah could eather be Heather and if you havnt already done so on the IGI records its got Mary Smiths Birth but no Parents only as being married to simon pick and it said birthplace of Syston.So i think youve got your work cut out on this one. Your family is complicated i havnt started on the hincks yet Beverly

Didnt you say that your Hincks were from Syston? Therefore you could be my missing link!!! Hadn't checked the IGI, normally one of the first things I do, but saw the name Smith and my heart sank!! Thanks for that, I have scrutinised old maps of Leicester and am more confused in deciding where to look! Am currently back on my London lot, a change is as good as a rest, don't they say? You never know, when I come back to this bit, I might find her instantly (well, one can always live in hopes!!) Sarah

Beverly/Mike I just had to add this post following on from the others above. I have (bravely) just decided to come back to my Leics side and had a trawl through census records for some of Mary Smith from somewheres descendants. She had a son John, who married Mary Preston, they had two children in 1867 and 68. This wife died in 1872. In the 1881 census, John is declared as widowed, living with only one son and his dad (where the other is? Anyones business). 1891 John and his two kids are there, and there are two more kids, Rose b.1875, Edith b.1881- notably missing from the 1881 where John was a widower(? Who is the mother?) He now appears to have a new wife Mary. In 1901, his kids are missing, and there is a new child, a stepdaughter also named Rose (Goodman), b.1886 (who does she belong to??), she looks like she has a 5 year old son (mother at 14?) So, you said my family were confusing, what do you make of this?!!! AAARRGGGHH I am now going off to bang my head against a vacant wall, I didn't think I could beat the Hincks, but maybe I was wrong (LOL) Confused more than ever, and now abandoning my family and searching for a new one! Sarah

hi sarah ive just been on roots web world connect there is somebody on there researching simon pick and mary smith. i found out simon picks father was john born 1769 twyford mother elizabeth addcock born 1775. if you want to check this out. Theres an e mail address on there if you want to get in touch with who is researching Beverly

hi sarah On World connect i also got mary ann preston sons stephen and henry also a james pick son of mary and simon married to a Ruth? daughter ellen pick born 1867 Beverly

hi sarah i got this on 1881 census it might be the second mary mary goodman 1853 smeeton same as on other census daughter in law edith 1877 grandaughter henry barsby head 1832 oadby sarah wife 1832 billsdon elizabeth daughter 1869 tur langton elizabeth daughter 1879 oadby on index on ancestry there was a john pick married december 1889 barrow on soar there were 2 men and one woman on page 7a 339 also in december 1889 barrow upon soar a mary goodman she was the only one on page 7a 33(09) i dont know if you count that as 330 or 339 beverly

Beverly, you are an absolute angel, will get my head round this and follow up on your leads now. It looks like my man may have had three wives.... I have had very disturbed dreams about this all last night!! THANKYOU (If I can do anything in return, let me know) Am off to Ancestry etc Sarah

sarah your welcome let me know how you get on ive just had another look on census it gets more complicated i only found john mary and rose 15 no edith but i did find a simon pick 84 living with his daughter? edith aged 10 born oadby . it sounds like the hincks lol beverly

Mike It has been suggested that you may be able to help me with a look up on the 1851 census for Hinkley. Ruth in Leicester has looked up the index and its folio page 277, the family of John Paul. I would be very grateful if you could look up the details. Thank you in advance Margaret

Hi Beverly, I had noticed that, but think that it looks wrong, when in fact is right. The last two are actually living in the same household, they are just transcribed onto the next page, which isn't made clear on Ancestry. I think (dare I say) they may sound worse than the Hincks!! You've done so much for me, thanks again. Sarah

Greeting’s…………. Margaret 1851.INDEX only Census Returns. Hinckley. Folder 277. ( Courtesy of Ruth.) John Paul. 25. William. 31. ( Brother ?) Emma. Wife. 27. Thomas. . . no age given. No other details given. ***************************************** 1861. Scanned images Census Returns. RG 9 2260 / Page 33. Castle Street Hinckley. John Paul. Wid. 35. Market Gardener. Born Hinckley. Thomas. Son. 11. Assists his Father. Ditto. John. Son. 8. Scholar. Henry. Son. 5. Arthur. Son. 3. All Born in Hinckley. No sign of Emma.?… ***************************************** Paul’s Burials Found :- St. Mary’s Church. Hinckley. EMMA PAUL. 31st. May. 1860. Aged 36. Notes :- Child Bed ? = Childbirth ??? Emma Paul. 20th. May. 1861. Aged 11 Months. ( Daughter to Emma & John. ? ) JOHN PAUL. 15th. Jan. 1864. Aged 39. Notes :- …. Died Suddenly. ****************************** 1861. Scanned Images Census Returns. RG 9 2295 / Page 11. Oxford Street Leicester. William Paul. Head. 40. Over locker Hose. Born Hinckley. Ann. Wife. 40. Born Hinckley. James. Son. 16. Apprentice. Born Leicester. Thomas. Son. 14. Errand Boy. Born Hinckley. Arthur. Son. 11. Scholar. Born Hinckley. ****************************************** Still think William is a Brother to John Due to Family names and place of birth ? Hope this is of help to you ? MIKE.

Mike Thank you for that. I had the deaths from the GRO indexes but there are no ages on at that time so the info on the burials is very helpful. Thank you for your time Margaret

May I take it that nothing was found on George Henry Parr and his daughters Catherine Jane and Louise (Louisa), or have I missed a message somewhere? Paul

Greeting's Paul........ I'm sorry Didn't know weather it was in the County or City. So It's taken the time to sift through both with the details you posted........ 1891. INDEX ONLY.Census Returns. RG12. 2525 / 40. George H. Parr. Head. 51. Sarah. Wife. 41. LOUISA. M. Dau. 2. No other details found. MIKE.

Hi Mike I would like your opinion please one of my relations Joseph Masters born 1872 East Indies, married a Theresa Annie Emmerton 1894 new Port Pagnell. Theresa s birth said Theresa Ann Emmerton 1873 New Port Pagnell. I cant find her on census anywhere only 1901 when she was married to Joseph. I have though found an Annie Emmerton Born 1873 New port Pagnell do you think this could be her . Thanks Beverly

Thank you very much Michael, that looks as though it could be them. I shall have to track down Louisa's birth cert to get a maiden name. Thank you again. Paul

Greeting's Again Bev....... I'm not surprised you couldn't find her Checked out 1881.(Disks) with the details you gave Seems that they had HER down as a HE..... and liked her middle name ? and note spelling of Emmerton ? Dwelling: 113 High Street Census Place: Newport Pagnell, Buckingham, England Source: FHL Film 1341358 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1481 Folio 53 Page 12 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas EMERTON M 35 M Newport Pagnell, Buckingham, England Rel: Head Occ: Railway Laborer Jane EMERTON M 37 F Sherington, Buckingham, England Rel: Wife Sarah EMERTON 10 F Sherington, Buckingham, England Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Florence EMERTON 9 F Sherington, Buckingham, England Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Annie EMERTON 8 F Buckingham, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar George EMERTON 3 M Newport Pagnell, Buckingham, England Rel: Son Lillie EMERTON 2 F Newport Pagnell, Buckingham, England Rel: Dau Joseph SLATER W 77 M Sherington, Buckingham, England Rel: Father In Law Occ: No Occ Farm Laborer Unemployed. The choice is yours weather to go ahead and order the birth cerificate... Hope this helps or have I put a spanner in the works ? MIKE.