Genealogy Chat

Myabe :) if there's any wealth involved, I'll change my name too !

Paul, I had an awful few years trying to find my great grandfather (born 1885), Got my grans birth certificate (1908), then grandfather's mariage certificate - his name was Sidney Gifford or Gilford Johnson. I couldn't find him in the 1901 or 1891 census - his father was John, which didn't help. Then I thought maybe his dad had died and Gilford was the surname of his real father. No luck. One day whilst playing around, I put the name Gilford in as a forename - and came up with a family!! Seems he was registered Gilford, but when he left home called himself Sidney. His brother Ivan called himself Frederick. On a simiar theme, my uncle Bill was registered Charles, G aunty Nell was really Alice, G granny Grace was really Loveday. My grandfather's best mate Stan was really George - and so it goes on!! Oh and my dad changed ALL his names when he was adopted at 14 maggie

Hi again Paul Interestingly, on ancestry Matilda King is down as marrying Sept Qtr 1878. Richard James Knock in Dec Qtr 1878! Lou

Paul, I have them in 1891 living with her parents: King, Thomas 61 Buckinghamshire Head Winslow cum Shipton Buckinghamshire King, Maria 63 Buckinghamshire Wife Winslow cum Shipton Buckinghamshire Knock, Matylda 31 Buckinghamshire Daughter Winslow cum Shipton Buckinghamshire Knock, Richard 44 London Son-in-law Winslow cum Shipton Buckinghamshire Knock, Oliver 9 Buckinghamshire Son Winslow cum Shipton Buckinghamshire Knock, Willie 3 Buckinghamshire Son Winslow cum Shipton Buckinghamshire Knock, Kate 1 Buckinghamshire Daughter Winslow cum Shipton Buckinghamshire At Tinker's End. They are running a lodging house and there are a ton of lodgers too. Didn't bother listing them. Crista

Do please send for the marriage certificate! Joy

Crista, thats brilliant, thank you... hadn't tried the name variations. This has solved a second mystery for me too - had never been able to find Maria's husbands name beforehand !! Thanks so much... and to everyone else that assisted too. Paul

As they have a son Richard i would guess one or two things! Richard was the father's name on the marriage cert and the parish clerk wrote the father's name in the wrong place and the groom was really Charles. Or the enumerator just wrote the wrong name down in error. Possibly ,he was called Charles but really a Richard? Kim

Kim, Since he was Richard when he was married, and Richard in 1891 (see above), and named his first son Richard, I'd says his name was probably... Richard :) As to why he was known as Charles in 1881.... who knows. Maybe he just liked the name. Thanks for you input. Paul

Paul In case you hadn't already done so, which I assume you have but anyway.... Checked the marriage on 1837 and the reference number definitely corresponds with a Matilda King and Richard James Knock. If my memory serves me correctly, Pottersbury (?) Dec Qtr. Lou

hadn't double checked with 1837, just freeBMD, but thanks. Potterpury is the correct district, covers part of north bucks and south northants, including Stony Stratford, which is where Matilda's mother ran a pub.

Paul, Do you have access to Ancestry? Otherwise I can send you the image. Crista

I do have access yes, but thank you for the offer. I've got the image now. Interestingly none of the places of birth are anywhere near what I was expecting them to be. But it has to be them ! So the only mystery now is why Richard was Charles for a short time. Perhaps when I get the marriage license I'll find that his fathers name was Charles.

Paul, The household before in 1881 was the Charlick family. The enumerator probably just messed up, kept wanting to write Charl... Crista

I hadn't noticed that... it's a possibility isn't it ?

Do you have them in 1901: 15 High Street, West Stony Stratford Ann Hicock 4 Stony Stratford, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter West Stony Stratford Buckinghamshire Kate Hicock 11 Stony Stratford, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter West Stony Stratford Buckinghamshire Mary Hicock 38 Stony Stratford, Buckinghamshire, England Wife West Stony Stratford Buckinghamshire Oliver Hicock 15 Stony Stratford, Buckinghamshire, England Son West Stony Stratford Buckinghamshire Richard Hicock 50 London, England Head West Stony Stratford Buckinghamshire Willie Hicock 13 Stony Stratford, Buckinghamshire, England Son West Stony Stratford Buckinghamshire Crista

Hadn't got that far to be honest (at work at the moment). Amazed you found them under that name ! Amazing isn't it how manes can be so badly mistranscribed/change... Thanks again ! Paul