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CITY BURIAL’S CONTINUED :- Welford Road Cemetery :- C. = Consecrated Ground. U. = Unconsecrated Ground. BUTLER --- 10 APR 1864 STBN C BUTLER --- 27 MAR 1869 INF C BUTLER --- 28 MAR 1871 STBN U BUTLER --- 7 OCT 1872 10HRS U BUTLER --- 8 APR 1874 2DAYS U BUTLER --- 6 MAR 1877 STBN C BUTLER --- 1 JUL 1879 STBN U BUTLER --- 22 JUN 1883 STBN U BUTLER --- 3 MAR 1887 STBN U BUTLER AMY 29 AUG 1878 71 C BUTLER ANN 14 JAN 1869 63 C BUTLER ANNIE 8 JAN 1891 6 U BUTLER ANNIE ELIZABETH 8 JAN 1889 5MTHS U BUTLER ARTHUR 29 SEP 1870 2 U BUTLER ARTHUR 27 SEP 1875 1YR 11MTHS U BUTLER ARTHUR ARCHIBALD 4 AUG 1863 10 U BUTLER ARTHUR HENRY 5 AUG 1874 16WKS U BUTLER CAROLINE 19 JUL 1887 45 U BUTLER CAROLINE ELIZABETH 19 OCT 1872 3MTHS U BUTLER CHARLES 1 JAN 1857 77 C BUTLER CHARLES AUGUSTUS 16 JUL 1881 7 U BUTLER CLARA AGNES LAVINIA 28 DEC 1889 3 U BUTLER CONSTANCE ELIZABETH 18 APR 1885 4MTHS U BUTLER CORA FANNY 12 JUL 1857 4MTHS U BUTLER EDITH 17 MAR 1883 15DAYS U BUTLER EDWIN SAMUEL WRIGHT 16 JUN 1888 1 U BUTLER ELIZABETH 7 JUN 1861 2 U BUTLER ELIZABETH 9 AUG 1864 20 U BUTLER ELIZABETH 14 AUG 1872 52 U BUTLER ELIZABETH 28 FEB 1887 45 U BUTLER ELIZABETH ALMA 8 MAY 1855 11WKS U BUTLER ELIZABETH ANN 11 APR 1877 7MTHS U BUTLER ELIZABETH ANN 19 OCT 1888 60 C BUTLER ELLEN 28 DEC 1863 2YRS 6MTHS U BUTLER ELLEN MAUD 15 JAN 1880 5MTHS U BUTLER EMILY 6 MAR 1859 2WKS U BUTLER EMILY 29 APR 1863 5MTHS U BUTLER EMILY 31 JAN 1887 8 U BUTLER EMILY 12 JAN 1889 23 U BUTLER EMILY ANNIE 26 DEC 1874 1YR 7MTHS U BUTLER EMMA 15 JAN 1881 34 C BUTLER EMMA JANE 12 APR 1864 16 U BUTLER ERNEST 7 DEC 1886 3 C BUTLER FANNY 28 JUL 1881 23 C BUTLER FRANCES 18 NOV 1859 39 U BUTLER FRANCES JANE 18 MAR 1855 21 U BUTLER FRED 15 JUL 1886 2 U BUTLER FREDERICK MATTHEW 4 MAY 1864 3 U BUTLER GEORGE 24 JUL 1861 7WKS U BUTLER GEORGE 26 MAY 1874 79 U BUTLER GEORGE JOSEPH 13 MAR 1888 3WKS U BUTLER HAROLD 27 DEC 1886 17MTHS C BUTLER HARRY 4 MAY 1889 22 U BUTLER HELEN ANN 22 NOV 1879 1 U BUTLER HENRY ALFRED 29 OCT 1877 22 U BUTLER HENRY FRANCIS 1 AUG 1878 7MTHS U BUTLER HEPHZIBAH 7 APR 1869 78 C BUTLER ISABELLA FLORENCE 26 DEC 1879 16 C BUTLER JAMES 18 SEP 1877 20 C BUTLER JAMES 23 OCT 1886 75 U BUTLER JOHN 30 AUG 1852 1 U BUTLER JOHN 17 AUG 1860 47 U BUTLER JOHN 5 JUN 1871 40 U BUTLER JOHN 22 MAY 1888 56 U BUTLER JOHN THOMAS 6 SEP 1867 1MTH U BUTLER JONATHAN 8 APR 1879 70 C BUTLER JOSEPH 23 JUN 1870 2WKS U BUTLER LILIAN EDITH 30 AUG 1884 1 U BUTLER MARY 29 NOV 1886 72 U BUTLER MARY ANN 10 DEC 1885 48 U BUTLER MARY JANE 6 FEB 1875 24 U BUTLER NOEL THOMAS ADRIAN 6 APR 1889 3MTHS C BUTLER PRISCILLA 5 NOV 1888 3MTHS U BUTLER RICHARD 23 FEB 1888 41 U BUTLER ROSA 13 FEB 1886 5MTHS U BUTLER RUPERT 20 AUG 1871 2WKS U BUTLER SARAH 10 AUG 1860 88 C BUTLER SARAH ANN 2 DEC 1886 75 U BUTLER SARAH ANN 4 DEC 1890 43 U BUTLER SARAH LOUISA 18 SEP 1871 6MTHS U BUTLER SYDNEY STAFFORD 2 AUG 1884 3MTHS C BUTLER THOMAS 25 JAN 1857 76 U BUTLER THOMAS 29 SEP 1866 54 U BUTLER THOMAS 16 SEP 1871 3MTHS U BUTLER THOMAS 13 SEP 1877 5MTHS U BUTLER THOMAS 7 SEP 1880 62 U BUTLER THOMAS 23 SEP 1890 62 C BUTLER THOMAS 9 JAN 1891 85 U BUTLER THOMAS EPHRAIM 15 APR 1889 8MTHS C BUTLER WALTER 26 AUG 1869 3MTHS U BUTLER WALTER 9 AUG 1879 2 U BUTLER WILLIAM 26 AUG 1852 1 U BUTLER WILLIAM 23 MAY 1860 24 U BUTLER WILLIAM 13 APR 1860 65 C BUTLER WILLIAM 12 AUG 1868 68 C BUTLER WILLIAM 10 MAY 1876 9 U BUTLER WILLIAM EDWARD 26 AUG 1889 11MTHS U BUTLER WILLIAM HENRY 8 OCT 1880 1 U BUTLER WILLIAM HENRY 22 JUN 1886 14MTHS U BUTLER WILLIAM HENRY 23 JUL 1887 4MTHS U MIKE.

Greeting’s again…… Maggie…….. Early Butler City Wedding’s LMT. = Leicester St Martins. LA. = Leicester All Saints. LMG.= Leicester St Margaret’s. LN. = Leicester St Nicholas. ANN BUTLER 4 FEB 1782 THOMAS MATHEWSON L MT B CATHERINE BUTLER 19 APR 1772 PETER WILLANS L MT L ELEANOR BUTLER 27 DEC 1781 ROBERT HEANES L MT B HENRY BUTLER 17 APR 1799 ELIZABETH FIELDING L A B JAMES BUTLER 19 JAN 1795 ELEANOR CHANDLER L N B JOHN BUTLER 14 MAY 1769 HANNAH LUPTON L MG B JOHN BUTLER 5 JUN 1771 MARY LOWTH L MG B SARAH BUTLER 17 JUN 1792 GABRIEL KING L A B Other BUTLER Leicester City Marriages Found :- JOHN. ~ COLE. FRANCES. All Saints. 1803. By Banns. JOHN. ~ YATES. LUCY. St Margaret’s. 1819. (From Oct onwards) By Banns. JOHN. ~ FREER. ANN. St Mary de Castro. 1824. By Banns. JOHN. ~ HOLLINS. JANE. St Martins. 1825. By Banns. JOHN. ~ FREER. MARY. St. Margaret’s. 1835. ( from Oct onwards) By Banns. *********************** NO BUTLER’s…. Syston Marriages found *********************** Butler and variations Syston Burials Found of interest.:- Names./ Dates. / Age. / Notes. BUTLER MARY ANN 24 JAN 1849 INF DAU OF THOMAS BUTLER THOMAS HENRY 8 MAY 1862 49 ABODE LEICESTER BUTLER ELLEN AUGUSTA ANNIE BUTLER 20 OCT 1868 INF ABODE LEICESTER BUTLIN FREDERICK WILLIAM DRAYCOTT 26 JUN 1859 2 SON OF THOS HENRY BUTLIN JOHN HENRY 29 JUN 1859 8 SON OF THOS HENRY ******************************* CITY CHURCH’S BUTLER BURIALS :- St Martins Burials…. BUTLER. :- Names. / Dates. / Age. BUTLER ELIZABETH 20 JAN 1837 66 BUTLER HENRY 25 SEP 1849 80 BUTLER JOHN 29 MAY 1834 34 St Margaret’s Part one. BULTER JANE 06 APR 1841 65 St Margaret’s Church Part Two. :- BUTLER ANNE 28 MAR 1815 INF BUTLER THOMAS 07 MAR 1815 3 BUTLER WILL'M 08 DEC 1817 19 St Mary De Castro….. BUTLER SARAH 15 AUG 1830 2 St. Nicholas Church. :- BUTLER JOYCE 18 MAR 1813 63 BUTLER PETER 25 JAN 1820 74 BUTLER SARAH 21 OCT 1821 78 St. Georges Church. :- BUTLER JOHN 23 FEB 1831 48 BUTLER MARTHA 03 MAY 1843 40 BUTLER RHODA 27 APR 1842 INF BUTLER THOMAS 30 MAR 1845 6 All Saint’s Church. :- BUTLER ELIZ'TH 05 OCT 1814 43 BUTLER FRANCES ELIZABETH 25 JUL 1839 23 BUTLER JANE 03 NOV 1816 22 BUTLER JOANNAH 17 DEC 1838 INF BUTLER JOSEPH 27 SEP 1849 3 MTHS BUTLER SARAH 02 JUL 1815 32 BUTLER SARAH 21 APR 1841 60 CONTINUES……….

Still looking for my John BUTLER who had a chemist shop in Wharf Street in 1825. Following the line of someone said to be a cousin has brought me to a Thomas Henry BUTLER who I think is related to my John, but not sure how - could be a brother?? The IGI has a Thomas Henry BUTLER "born" in SYSTON, 13 Feb 1813 (parents Elizabeth and Henry BUTLER), and thanks to the kindness on someone one the rootsweb Leics list, what looks like the same chap on the 1851 census lists his birthplace as Leicester St Martins, has married a Syston girl, and in 1851 is working in Syston as a schoolmaster and Deputy Registrar. As a novice when it comes to official records, would welcome any suggestions as to how best to progress the search for the elusive John (who I think died between 1835 and 1839 having moved his business to Belgrave Gate). All suggestions welcome!! Thanks and Happy New Year to all. Maggie (about to launch into Charnwood up a gear mode - only 581 days to go!!)

Sarah....... " Someones got to do the dirty work M' Duck " .....:0D ( seen a lot of Hinck's & Picks 1841. Tonight in Thurmaston whilst doing a look up for someone on another site ) Ruth.... Nice to hear from you again and..... " A Happy New Year to you"

Greeting's and Welcome Peter....... The only place I can think of for the full transcripts for 1851. will be in the Library of the Leicester & Rutland family History Society.. But at the moment they are closed and are moving, Or as a long shot you could enquire at your local LDS Centre they might be able to order a fiche for you to look at But there is a charge of £2.70p per fiche and a 5 working days notice required. But I too have the full transcript for Whitwick 1861, 1871,1881.1891. 1901. Plus 1841. and index for 1851. So If I can be of help just ask .... MIKE.

Mike, thanks for clearing my confusion. Oh dear, my lot do cause problems - even more so for you I think. And what were you doing up at 04:48? Im surprised you even had the energy to blow out your candle! LOL! I feel even worse knowing you up and doing lookups when I was happily snoring.... I shall give you some peace now, have a great new year, and thanks (again!) :-)) Sarah

I would like to have a copy / transcript of the 1851 census for Whitwick, Ashby de la Zouch. I have the details / folio no from the index but now need a copy of the entry. Is anyone able to do this for me or could you tell me where to go to seach the records. Thanks for any help. Peter

Thanks Mike will have a look Beverly

F.A.O. BEVERLEY..... Have you looked at this Marriage ? (From 1837 site) April Quarter 1866. GEORGE GRANT. Leicester. Cert No. 7a 292. It's not at St. Margaret's Church. I've checked this out already for you. MIKE.

Good morning Sarah...... Right.... The reason I put up that death (1872) was due to the age and name. But now I've rechecked the 1871 Census and see that John Pick(25) & Mary Ann Pick(20) were living in Leicester Road Syston. With Henry and Stephen. It will be interesting to see the Death cert when you get it.... Now to the big hunt....... 1. Mary Smith /Goodman / Pick. Tells big porkies about her age..... Found her in 1861. Aged 10. in Smeeton Westerby. Daughter of Joseph & Martha Smith (nee Shipley ?) (the only Martha matching her age & surname in Smeeton in 1841.) They had nine children in total aged from 17 ~ 2. And next door but one is a....... GOODMAN Family... anyway don't think that's the connection....... On that 1881. Census for South Knighton Lodge... The Sarah Barsby (born in Billesdon) had been married before to a David Goodman (born in Stonton Wyville) and lived in Tur Langton. hence the birthplace for Elizabeth aged 12. So for now I'm assuming Mary married a son from this marriage so to be come a dau in law = ( Sons wife) or could it be a daughter to Sarah? ( pass caring at his time of day ....lol :0)). ) But Mary's still leading us a merry chase and not been found yet in the years 1861 ~ 81. Several possibilities going her birth place ( Smeeton) But due to her porkies about her age can't pin her down... Anyway time to blow out this candle ...... MIKE.

Thanks mike and Sarah The first one looks right Mike but on the 1881 census ive got George Henry head 36 Leicester Sarah Ann wife 36 Leicester Henry son 14 Hunslet york Edith daughter 12 Leicester florence daughter 8 Leicester Albert Son 6 Leicester Thomas Son 3 Leicester George Son 8 months Leicester Im trying to find Sarah Anns maiden name ive looked but i cant find it Thanks again Beverly

Greeting's Beverley....... 1861. Scanned Census Returns.... RG 9/ 2286 /Page 10a. 8, Nelson Street Leicester. Henry Grant Head. 49. Gen. lab. Born Scraptoft. Sarah. Wife. 37. no occupation. Born Whissendine Rutland. Ann. Dau. Umar. 24. No Occup. Born Teigh Rutland. GEORGE HENRY. Son. 16. App. Coach Builder. B. Leicester. Mary Jane. Dau. 10. Born Leicester. *************** Possibility ? 1871. Scanned Census Images (Ancestry site) RG 10 / 3250 / Page. One. Leicester / Ashby Toll Road Hugglescote. GEORGE H. GRANT. WIDOW. Boarder. 27. Railway Waggon Builder.Born Leicester Glenfield. MIKE. Sarah .... Re SMGT = St Margaret's Parish.

Beverley, cannot see anything on 1871, but got this from 1851. Any use? 1851 Leicester city census, Seven in Schedule 1. Piece 2088 Folio 396 Page 23 Address 6 NELSON SQUARE Name HENRY GRANT Rel HEAD Cond M Age 39 Sex M Occupation ROAD LABOURER Birth place SCRAPTOFT in county LEI 2. Piece 2088 Folio 396 Page 23 Address 6 NELSON SQUARE Name SARAH GRANT Rel WIFE Cond M Age 41 Sex F Occupation – Birth place WISENDINE in county RUT 3. Piece 2088 Folio 396 Page 23 Address 6 NELSON SQUARE Name JOHN GRANT Rel SON Cond U Age 15 Sex M Occupation PAINTER Birth place TEIGH in county RUT 4. Piece 2088 Folio 396 Page 23 Address 6 NELSON SQUARE Name ANN GRANT Rel DAU Cond U Age 14 Sex F Occupation GLOVE STITCHER Birth place WYMONDAM in county LEI 5. Piece 2088 Folio 396 Page 23 Address 6 NELSON SQUARE Name GEORGE H GRANT Rel SON Cond – Age 6 Sex M Occupation SCHOLAR Birth place SMGT in county LEI 6. Piece 2088 Folio 396 Page 23 Address 6 NELSON SQUARE Name MARY J GRANT Rel DAU Cond – Age 6MTHS Sex F Occupation – Birth place SMGT in county LEI 7. Piece 2088 Folio 396 Page 23 Address 6 NELSON SQUARE Name STEPHEN BROWN Rel LODG Cond U Age 31 Sex M Occupation ROAD LABOURER Birth place LUFFENHAN in county RUT Where is SMGT?! P.S If you have been checking Ancestry, it seems to be having some probs with the 1871 tonight. Sarah

Righty ho, am back again Mike, somewhat less confused, but still a bit dizzy! Thankyou for the hefty amount of lookups, you are a star. The marriages all fit perfectly with what I know, the death of Mary Pick in Syston also. I am not so sure about the 1872 death, I had seen this on 1837, but the death was registered in Leicester. I found another in 1874, Mary Pick, aged 24, registered in Barrow on Soar, which covered Syston. I think that is my Marys. Am awaiting the certificate. I cannot imagine how you would think any of mine would have been in unconsecrated graves (Yeah right lol, I think they all are!) Re the census, I agree with all you have on these. My main thing now is this: If Mary Goodman was previously Mary Smith (father Joseph, according to marriage info), then how come her father in law was Henry Barsby as per the 1881?? Could she have been married to a Barsby, before Goodman then Pick???? I'll let you consider that one! (Bring back the Hincks!) Sarah

Hi Beverley, where have you tried? What were the children called? I'll have a look for you! Mike - thanks, am currently trawling through your wealth of info, no doubt I will be back - keep the prozac to hand! Jean - thanks for the info re LDS. Am going next week. Sarah

Hi Can any one help im looking for a marriage between George Henry Grant and Sarah Ann? Both From Leicester Both born 1845. First childs Birth 1867 Hunslet York, Second child 1869 Leicester. I cant find them on 1871 Census or their marriage. Thanks Bev

Greeting’s…. Confused Sarah….:0/ Eyes Down……. Marriages found.:- SIMON PICK ~ MARY SMITH. 5th June. 1836. Syston. By Banns. ***************** JOHN PICK ~ MARY ANN PRESTON. 3rd. June. 1867. Syston. By Banns. Grooms Father:- Simon Pick. Bride’s Father:- John Preston. Notes:- Groom. Aged 21. Bride. Aged 17. ***************** JOHN PICK ~ MARY GOODMAN. 27th. October. 1889. Syston. By Banns. Groom’s Father :- Simon Pick. Brides Father :- Joseph Smith. Notes:- He is a Widow. She is 38. and Widow. **************** Burials Found:- MARY PICK. 4th. March. 1863. Syston. Aged 62. (Think this is Simon's Wife ? ) *************** MARY ANN PICK. 11th. March. 1872. Aged 22. Welford Road Cemetery. Unconsecrated Ground. **************** Now to try and answer your questions :- That Burial above in 1872. Could tie in with 1881. Census return. RG 11 / 3155 /Page 17. Lower Church Lane Syston. for John (34) being WIDOW. and living with father Simon & Mother Mary. Also his boys Harry. (13) & Stephen. (12) ************************ According to the 1891. Census.( RG 12 / 2523 / Page 12 ~12a.) Lower Church Lane Syston. Rose(15) & Edith(10) were both born in OADBY. So should have been recorded as step Daughters ? I Think these came with his new Wife ? ********************** You ask where Mary Goodman was in 1881.? RG 11 /3126 / Page. 64. Holbrook Road. South Knighton Lodge. Living with Father in Law Henry Barsby. Mary Goodman. Daughter in Law. 28.Shoe Trade Machinist. Born Smeeton. Elizabeth Goodman. Dau. 12. Born Tur Langton Leicestershire Edith Goodman. Grand Dau.4. Born Oadby. Elizabeth Goodman. Grand Dau.2 Born Oadby. In Mary’s Occupation notes (My CD Disk) States that Husband was “ away “ I have all census returns 1841 ~ 1901. I hope you are not so confused now ?….:0/ Or have I added to it ?……lol :0)) MIKE.

Wishing everyone a Happy New Year Bev

Greeting's....Sarah. Sorry but I was tied up with a complicated search over the last few days on another genealogy site.... I've printed off your tale of woe ....:0))) I'll cast my beady eyes over and see what I can come up with....... In the meantime wishing you and all I've helped in the past... " A Happy New Year.... " UNCLE....MIKE.

Just popping in to wish everyone a Happy New Year and good hunting in 2005! Jan