Genealogy Chat

Elaine i did ask in WH Smiths about old maps, ordanance survey (something like that) i was told they went in districts such as south west etc .so you could try there theywere not very expensive either , which makes a change .Wendy

Greeting's Again Elaine...... I think you'll find this site is what you want I have all of his maps for old Leicester..... :- www (.)alangodfreymaps(.) (co)(.) uk Remove the brackets... Available from Leicester & Rutland Family History Society Book Shop 100, High Street. Leicester These are the same ones as mentioned by Wendy £2.10p. when I got them. Four to the set.. MIKE.

Thanks Mike, Just a shot in the dark but any ideas why an elastic web weaver might have gone to USA 1890's, certainly his wife gave birth there and they are back 1901? Also why would he have India above his profession? I'm asking for a lot are'nt I !!! Elaine Ok one more, on an uncle's birth cert in col 1 after writting an address he's put R.D. does that mean anything

Greeting's Again...... Elaine. Sorry but been laughing my hat off here...lol :0)) Seeing that he made elastic web Maybe he forgot to let go that's why he behaved like a Yo -Yo back and forward to the States ? .......lol . :0)) No..... Seriously He may have been sent over there by his company to show um how it's done? The " India " relates to Indian Rubber Company or not the common rubber stuff R. D. = Rural District. MIKE.

Thanks Mike, I always ask questions even if they sound silly and I thought it was funny too!!! going on from there is there any way I can find them in the States before 1901. I did get my mum's birth cert as she was a twin born 1942, the baby was stillborn so would there be a record that time, nothing is on my mums cert. Rest assured will try and find some more anecdotes as I am off work this week and spending lots of time on the computer, think I should purchase some census discs as I am becoming addicted!!! Hello to all today Elaine

Greeting’s Again Elaine……. There are several members on this site who are in the states …e.g. “ Crista “ So try clicking on their names and send them a private message with FULL details of what you want. Or…. Do you have full membership to Ancestry ?…. Or….. I’m helping a Canadian friend from another site at the moment maybe they can help ? (1942 was a good year …lol ) Re time on cert ?... Usually they DO put the time when it’s a multi birth. But I’ve heard before that if one is still born then they don’t.. So I’m to get the “Sack” then if your purchasing census disks…? :0(( Must remember to stock up on my “ Prozac “ for this coming week-end then…..:0))) By the way I’ve had another thought on that “ R.D. “ Could it mean = Road ? ( someone forgot to put it on cert ) MIKE.

Hi Mike Wondered if you have any info re Great Bowden, Leics? I have found my GG grandmother Sarah Wigginton living there in the 1881, 1891 and 1901 census but can't find a date she died. Have also discovered her married daughter Mary Chamberlain living there in the same census. Would love to discover the date she died. Is it possible to find out if there are any Chamberlains still living in Great Bowden? I also wondered if there were any Hudsons Sarah's maiden name?

Greeting’s Jennifer……. My Burial disks for Great Bowden only go up to 1891…. Checked disks and only came up with the following :- GREAT BOWDEN HUDSON WILLIAM 12th. APR 1879 5MTHS GREAT BOWDEN HUDSON MARY 17th. FEB 1883 3 Market Harborough :- MARKET HARBOROUGH CHAMBERLAIN CHARLOTTE 15 FEB 1843 51 MARKET HARBOROUGH CHAMBERLAIN JAMES 17 DEC 1859 66 MARKET HARBOROUGH CHAMBERLAIN ADA ELIZA 24 AUG 1870 7MTHS Just checked out Telephone Book 04/05. for Leicestershire…… NO Wigginton’ s in The right Area but there is 8 in the County. HUDSON ’S = 3 in MKT Harborough Area. CHAMBERLAIN ‘ S = ONE in the MKT Harborough Area. Do you wish me to check early census returns = 41,51,61, for Bowden ? MIKE.

Hi Mike, Unfortunately not been near the computer till now, just thought it would be better to buy otherwise with all the info I want it would be like doing homework-T00 much to ask but your reply made me laugh. With regards to American stuff am in Ancestry but not sure how American census works or when they took theirs but only found the info late yesterday so will pursue tomorrow again. I think you must be right about the still birth, no time , no mention of it etc and it would seem it was not talked about either. Was supposed to meet up with my aunt and uncle Friday to get info but that is on hold till next week so hopefully will come back to you armed with so much info that you will wish I had bought everything I could!!! Elaine

Greeting's Again Jennifer... I now think I can take you back futher....... 1871. Scanned census Images:- RG10 / 3305 / Folder 46 / Page. 34. Main Street. North Luffenham. SARAH WIGGINTON. Head. Widow. 51. Laundress. Born Easton Northamptonshire. William Chamberlain. Lodger. 26. Ag. lab. Born Empingham Rutland. Mary Chamberlain. Wife. 23. Ag. Lab's Wife. Born Easton. Mary A. Dau. 2. Born North Luffenham. Rutland. William J. Son. 7 Months. Born Nth. Luffenham. Rutland. Two doors down :- James Wigginton. Head. Mar. 58. Ag. lab. Born Braunston Rutland. Betsy Wife. 59. Ag. Lab's Wife. Born Oakham Rutland. Sarah's Brother...... ? ******************** 1861. INDEX ONLY Rutland Census Returns :- RG 9 / 2310 / Page. 11. North Luffenham. Jonathan Wigginton.Head. 33. SARAH WIGGINTON. Wife. 40. Emma. Dau. 14. ********************* RG 9 / 2310 / 11. North Luffenham. James Wigginton. Head. 48. Elizabeth. Wife. 49. Isaac. Son. 14. Sarah. Dau. 11. Frances A. Granddaughter. 8 Months. Not too sure if I've put the children with the right Parents as it's Index ref. only. ********************* 1851. INDEX ONLY. Rutland Census Returns :- 2092 / 433. North Luffenham. James Wigginton. Head. 38. Elizabeth. Wife. 39. Zeruiah. Son. 14. Dorcas Dau. 9. Maria. Dau. 7. Isaac. Son. 4. Sarah. Dau. 1. ******************** Think this is James Father ? 2292 /433. North Luffenham. James Wigginton. Head. 72. Frances. Wife. 62. ******************** I think this Easton is in fact Easton -on - the - Hill. 3 miles south west of Stamford. and 6 miles from North Luffenham. which puts it in the County of Northamptonshire. I also saw a Sarah Chamberlain. aged 45. with a Arthur Chamberlain. with Edwin Son. aged 11. in Burley -on -the Hill. Rutland. (1861.) and again in 1851. This might have a clue as to why Sarah was with a Chamberlain Family in 1871 and 1891. ? ? Hope this might help you .... MIKE.

Mike - What a star you are. I've spent months trying to get beyond my great grandfather and his mother!! I discovered about a month ago my great grandfather, William Hudson in the workhouse at Stamford in 1851 age 9 and described as a pauper orphan. I presumed then that his mother was dead! I subscribed to Ancestry for 3 months at the end of Nov and when checking William's family in the 1891 census I discovered that one of his daughters was not with the family. I checked her name out and found her staying with Mary Chamberlain who was described as her aunt. Sarah Wigginton was also living with the family and described as mother to the head of the house - Mary a widow. Eventually I found a marriage for a Sarah Hudson - my GG grandmother and when the cert came it showed she had married Jonathan Wiggington in 1854. Both Sarah and Mary were born at Easton on the Hill as was my G grandfather, William. William and I think Mary also were illegitimate. Sorry to bore you with al the details but what you have found has given me plenty more to go on. Wonder if I could ask you another favour? Would you be able to find Sarah Hudson on the 1851 census? Also, could you look for William on the 1861 and 1871 census please? Most of William's children were born at Great Bowden but there is another son who I think was illegitimate who was born at Wansford. Will understand if you haven't the time to check all that. I'm very grateful for what you have already found. Best wishes Jenny

Greeting's Again Ruth..... ( Sounds like a séance ....lol ) " I have the following." :- 1851. INDEX ONLY Returns for Aylestone. Vol. 10. Index. No. 157. = Aylestone. JORDAN. Thomas. 45. Mary. 54. Mary. 14. NO Hillard's found either in the County ( which Aylestone comes under ) or the City returns....Sorry. MIKE.

Greeting’s Again Jennifer…….. Here are all the Hudson’s for 1851. Rutland…….. Sorry to sound off putting…. But you know your Family history better than me You need to match the No.’s to get your family. It’s INDEX only I’m afraid but the full transcript Is still in the process of being done….. The 1861 Census for Rutland is again only in INDEX at this moment.. unless you can gain access to the whole British census through a site ?….. So If you can bear with me I’ll see what I can find… In a while I'll put up the Full Transcript of the 1891 returns for Great Bowden. (re Mary Chamberlain Head.) Not sure if you have seen it ? MIKE. HUDSON ALBERT SON 9MTHS 2093 80 UPPINGHAM HUDSON ANN SERV 29 2094 17 TIXOVER HUDSON ANN DAU 27 2093 79 UPPINGHAM HUDSON ANN SERV 18 2092 301 OAKHAM HUDSON ANN NECE 9 2094 41 KETTON HUDSON CAROLINE WIFE 36 2093 106 UPPINGHAM HUDSON CAROLINE DAU 23 2093 94 UPPINGHAM HUDSON CATHERINE WIFE 52 2093 79 UPPINGHAM HUDSON CATHERINE WIFE 42 2092 237 OAKHAM HUDSON CHARLES LODG 16 2093 74 UPPINGHAM HUDSON CHARLES D SON 7 2092 258 OAKHAM HUDSON CHARLOTTE A DAU 1 2092 258 OAKHAM HUDSON ELIZA DAU 24 2092 237 OAKHAM HUDSON ELIZA DAU 14 2093 79 UPPINGHAM HUDSON ELIZA DAU 1 2093 106 UPPINGHAM HUDSON ELIZABETH SERV 17 2092 97 ASHWELL HUDSON EMMA WIFE 24 2093 66 UPPINGHAM HUDSON EMMA DAU 8 2092 257 OAKHAM HUDSON FRANCES DAU 11 2093 94 UPPINGHAM HUDSON FREDERICK GSON 2 2093 79 UPPINGHAM HUDSON GEORGE SON 14 2093 80 UPPINGHAM HUDSON HORACE SON 5 2093 80 UPPINGHAM HUDSON JAMES SON 13 2093 79 UPPINGHAM HUDSON JANE WIFE 40 2092 258 OAKHAM HUDSON JOHN HEAD 81 2092 94 BURLEY HUDSON JOHN HEAD 49 2093 79 UPPINGHAM HUDSON JOHN HEAD 45 2092 257 OAKHAM HUDSON JOHN HEAD 38 2093 106 UPPINGHAM HUDSON JOHN SON 27 2093 418 SOUTH LUFFENHAM HUDSON JOHN SON 16 2093 79 UPPINGHAM HUDSON JOHN SON 7 2093 80 UPPINGHAM HUDSON JOHN T SON 6 2092 257 OAKHAM HUDSON JOSEPH HEAD 22 2093 66 UPPINGHAM HUDSON JOSHUA SON 14 2093 94 UPPINGHAM HUDSON LOUIS SERV 18 2093 24 BELTON HUDSON MARTHA DAU 11 2092 257 OAKHAM HUDSON MARY SERV 20 2093 403 WING HUDSON MARY DAU 4 2093 106 UPPINGHAM HUDSON MARY J DAU 13 2092 258 OAKHAM HUDSON ROBERT HEAD 27 2093 67 UPPINGHAM HUDSON SAMUEL SERV 19 2093 419 SOUTH LUFFENHAM HUDSON SARAH WIFE 46 2092 257 OAKHAM HUDSON SARAH WIFE 40 2093 79 UPPINGHAM HUDSON SARAH WIFE 24 2092 259 OAKHAM HUDSON SARAH WIFE 19 2093 67 UPPINGHAM HUDSON SARAH DAU 4 2092 258 OAKHAM HUDSON SARAH DAU 4 2093 80 UPPINGHAM HUDSON SELINA DAU 9 2093 80 UPPINGHAM HUDSON SOLOMON SERV 18 2094 69 TINWELL HUDSON SUSAN WIFE 47 2093 94 UPPINGHAM HUDSON SUSAN DAU 20 2093 94 UPPINGHAM HUDSON SUSANNAH DAU 3 2092 257 OAKHAM HUDSON THOMAS HEAD 43 2093 79 UPPINGHAM HUDSON THOMAS SON 19 2093 79 UPPINGHAM HUDSON WILLIAM INMT 81 2093 62 UPPINGHAM HUDSON WILLIAM HEAD 47 2093 94 UPPINGHAM HUDSON WILLIAM HEAD 46 2092 237 OAKHAM HUDSON WILLIAM LODG 37 2094 634 RYHALL HUDSON WILLIAM SON 23 2093 418 SOUTH LUFFENHAM HUDSON WILLIAM HEAD 19 2092 259 OAKHAM HUDSON WILLIAM JOHN SON 10 2092 258 OAKHAM HUDSON WILLIAM T HEAD 43 2092 258 OAKHAM

Back Again..... I didn't put this up yesterday as not to confuse you and I didn't know if you had seen it ? ..... 1891. Scanned Census Image. RG 12 / 2491 / Folder No. 75 / Page No. 17 ~18. Great Bowden. Mary Chamberlain. Head. 48. Widow. Laundress. Born Easton. Northampton. William Chamberlain. Son. Um. 20. Ass. Fishmonger. Born North Luffenham. Thomas Chamberlain.Son. 17. Butcher. Born Nth. Luffenham. Walter Chamberlain. Um. 15. Stable Boy. (Groom) Born Nth. Luffenham. John Chamberlain. Um. 12. Errand Boy. (Porter) Born Nth. Luffenham. Fred. Chamberlain. Um. 9. Scholar. Born MKT. Harborough. Cont. on Page 18..... SARAH WIGGINTON. Mother. Widow. 74. Born Easton. Northampton. Sarah. J. HUDSON. Neice. 18. Born Great Bowden. **************************

Thanks so much Mike Can't find my Sarah in the 1851 census - she would have been about 32 then but there is plenty of info there and hopefully I'll be able to tie in one or two relations. I can find no trace of her son William after he's in the workhouse in 1851 until the 1881 census when he turned up at Great Bowden, Leics married and with several children. I've got his marriage cert which took place in the Registry Office at Stamford in 1877. Thanks for all your hard work. I'm very grateful Jenny

Greeting's Again Ruth.... None found in Aylestone..... City :- HILLJER / HILLYER. 49, Grosvenor St. ( St. Margaret's.) William 24. Grocer /Butcher. Born St. Nicolas Parish. Richard. 14. Brother. Servant. Born St. Nicolas. **************** HILLIER. Canal-Side. John, Charlotta, Emma (Dau.) Boat people..... NO luck with Marriages ....Sorry. MIKE.

Hi Mike Just to let you know I've found Sarah's brother on the 1851 census you sent me. She seemed to stay in contact with him throughout her life. Many thanks for all your help Jenny

hi Mike Could you help again please 1841 Census Im looking for a John Miles Birth 1821 Oakham Rutland He Didnt get married till 1846 so hoping he's still there Thanks Beverly

Greeting's Again....Beverly. Unfortunately I've not got the 1841. Census for Rutland.... But this is the closest I can get in 1851.:- 1851. INDEX. Census Returns for Rutland..... 2092 / 272. = Oakham. John Miles. Head. 25. Sarah. Wife. 23. George. Son. 1. ******************** MIKE.

im looking for etty irons in lutterworth. she was originally from churchover in warks. she moved to lutterworth during the 1830's and her death was registered there in 1843 susie