Genealogy Chat

Greeting's Beverley....... 1861. Scanned Census Returns.... RG 9/ 2286 /Page 10a. 8, Nelson Street Leicester. Henry Grant Head. 49. Gen. lab. Born Scraptoft. Sarah. Wife. 37. no occupation. Born Whissendine Rutland. Ann. Dau. Umar. 24. No Occup. Born Teigh Rutland. GEORGE HENRY. Son. 16. App. Coach Builder. B. Leicester. Mary Jane. Dau. 10. Born Leicester. *************** Possibility ? 1871. Scanned Census Images (Ancestry site) RG 10 / 3250 / Page. One. Leicester / Ashby Toll Road Hugglescote. GEORGE H. GRANT. WIDOW. Boarder. 27. Railway Waggon Builder.Born Leicester Glenfield. MIKE. Sarah .... Re SMGT = St Margaret's Parish.

Thanks mike and Sarah The first one looks right Mike but on the 1881 census ive got George Henry head 36 Leicester Sarah Ann wife 36 Leicester Henry son 14 Hunslet york Edith daughter 12 Leicester florence daughter 8 Leicester Albert Son 6 Leicester Thomas Son 3 Leicester George Son 8 months Leicester Im trying to find Sarah Anns maiden name ive looked but i cant find it Thanks again Beverly

Good morning Sarah...... Right.... The reason I put up that death (1872) was due to the age and name. But now I've rechecked the 1871 Census and see that John Pick(25) & Mary Ann Pick(20) were living in Leicester Road Syston. With Henry and Stephen. It will be interesting to see the Death cert when you get it.... Now to the big hunt....... 1. Mary Smith /Goodman / Pick. Tells big porkies about her age..... Found her in 1861. Aged 10. in Smeeton Westerby. Daughter of Joseph & Martha Smith (nee Shipley ?) (the only Martha matching her age & surname in Smeeton in 1841.) They had nine children in total aged from 17 ~ 2. And next door but one is a....... GOODMAN Family... anyway don't think that's the connection....... On that 1881. Census for South Knighton Lodge... The Sarah Barsby (born in Billesdon) had been married before to a David Goodman (born in Stonton Wyville) and lived in Tur Langton. hence the birthplace for Elizabeth aged 12. So for now I'm assuming Mary married a son from this marriage so to be come a dau in law = ( Sons wife) or could it be a daughter to Sarah? ( pass caring at his time of day ....lol :0)). ) But Mary's still leading us a merry chase and not been found yet in the years 1861 ~ 81. Several possibilities going her birth place ( Smeeton) But due to her porkies about her age can't pin her down... Anyway time to blow out this candle ...... MIKE.

F.A.O. BEVERLEY..... Have you looked at this Marriage ? (From 1837 site) April Quarter 1866. GEORGE GRANT. Leicester. Cert No. 7a 292. It's not at St. Margaret's Church. I've checked this out already for you. MIKE.

Thanks Mike will have a look Beverly

I would like to have a copy / transcript of the 1851 census for Whitwick, Ashby de la Zouch. I have the details / folio no from the index but now need a copy of the entry. Is anyone able to do this for me or could you tell me where to go to seach the records. Thanks for any help. Peter

Mike, thanks for clearing my confusion. Oh dear, my lot do cause problems - even more so for you I think. And what were you doing up at 04:48? Im surprised you even had the energy to blow out your candle! LOL! I feel even worse knowing you up and doing lookups when I was happily snoring.... I shall give you some peace now, have a great new year, and thanks (again!) :-)) Sarah

Greeting's and Welcome Peter....... The only place I can think of for the full transcripts for 1851. will be in the Library of the Leicester & Rutland family History Society.. But at the moment they are closed and are moving, Or as a long shot you could enquire at your local LDS Centre they might be able to order a fiche for you to look at But there is a charge of £2.70p per fiche and a 5 working days notice required. But I too have the full transcript for Whitwick 1861, 1871,1881.1891. 1901. Plus 1841. and index for 1851. So If I can be of help just ask .... MIKE.

Sarah....... " Someones got to do the dirty work M' Duck " .....:0D ( seen a lot of Hinck's & Picks 1841. Tonight in Thurmaston whilst doing a look up for someone on another site ) Ruth.... Nice to hear from you again and..... " A Happy New Year to you"

Still looking for my John BUTLER who had a chemist shop in Wharf Street in 1825. Following the line of someone said to be a cousin has brought me to a Thomas Henry BUTLER who I think is related to my John, but not sure how - could be a brother?? The IGI has a Thomas Henry BUTLER "born" in SYSTON, 13 Feb 1813 (parents Elizabeth and Henry BUTLER), and thanks to the kindness on someone one the rootsweb Leics list, what looks like the same chap on the 1851 census lists his birthplace as Leicester St Martins, has married a Syston girl, and in 1851 is working in Syston as a schoolmaster and Deputy Registrar. As a novice when it comes to official records, would welcome any suggestions as to how best to progress the search for the elusive John (who I think died between 1835 and 1839 having moved his business to Belgrave Gate). All suggestions welcome!! Thanks and Happy New Year to all. Maggie (about to launch into Charnwood up a gear mode - only 581 days to go!!)

Greeting’s again…… Maggie…….. Early Butler City Wedding’s LMT. = Leicester St Martins. LA. = Leicester All Saints. LMG.= Leicester St Margaret’s. LN. = Leicester St Nicholas. ANN BUTLER 4 FEB 1782 THOMAS MATHEWSON L MT B CATHERINE BUTLER 19 APR 1772 PETER WILLANS L MT L ELEANOR BUTLER 27 DEC 1781 ROBERT HEANES L MT B HENRY BUTLER 17 APR 1799 ELIZABETH FIELDING L A B JAMES BUTLER 19 JAN 1795 ELEANOR CHANDLER L N B JOHN BUTLER 14 MAY 1769 HANNAH LUPTON L MG B JOHN BUTLER 5 JUN 1771 MARY LOWTH L MG B SARAH BUTLER 17 JUN 1792 GABRIEL KING L A B Other BUTLER Leicester City Marriages Found :- JOHN. ~ COLE. FRANCES. All Saints. 1803. By Banns. JOHN. ~ YATES. LUCY. St Margaret’s. 1819. (From Oct onwards) By Banns. JOHN. ~ FREER. ANN. St Mary de Castro. 1824. By Banns. JOHN. ~ HOLLINS. JANE. St Martins. 1825. By Banns. JOHN. ~ FREER. MARY. St. Margaret’s. 1835. ( from Oct onwards) By Banns. *********************** NO BUTLER’s…. Syston Marriages found *********************** Butler and variations Syston Burials Found of interest.:- Names./ Dates. / Age. / Notes. BUTLER MARY ANN 24 JAN 1849 INF DAU OF THOMAS BUTLER THOMAS HENRY 8 MAY 1862 49 ABODE LEICESTER BUTLER ELLEN AUGUSTA ANNIE BUTLER 20 OCT 1868 INF ABODE LEICESTER BUTLIN FREDERICK WILLIAM DRAYCOTT 26 JUN 1859 2 SON OF THOS HENRY BUTLIN JOHN HENRY 29 JUN 1859 8 SON OF THOS HENRY ******************************* CITY CHURCH’S BUTLER BURIALS :- St Martins Burials…. BUTLER. :- Names. / Dates. / Age. BUTLER ELIZABETH 20 JAN 1837 66 BUTLER HENRY 25 SEP 1849 80 BUTLER JOHN 29 MAY 1834 34 St Margaret’s Part one. BULTER JANE 06 APR 1841 65 St Margaret’s Church Part Two. :- BUTLER ANNE 28 MAR 1815 INF BUTLER THOMAS 07 MAR 1815 3 BUTLER WILL'M 08 DEC 1817 19 St Mary De Castro….. BUTLER SARAH 15 AUG 1830 2 St. Nicholas Church. :- BUTLER JOYCE 18 MAR 1813 63 BUTLER PETER 25 JAN 1820 74 BUTLER SARAH 21 OCT 1821 78 St. Georges Church. :- BUTLER JOHN 23 FEB 1831 48 BUTLER MARTHA 03 MAY 1843 40 BUTLER RHODA 27 APR 1842 INF BUTLER THOMAS 30 MAR 1845 6 All Saint’s Church. :- BUTLER ELIZ'TH 05 OCT 1814 43 BUTLER FRANCES ELIZABETH 25 JUL 1839 23 BUTLER JANE 03 NOV 1816 22 BUTLER JOANNAH 17 DEC 1838 INF BUTLER JOSEPH 27 SEP 1849 3 MTHS BUTLER SARAH 02 JUL 1815 32 BUTLER SARAH 21 APR 1841 60 CONTINUES……….

CITY BURIAL’S CONTINUED :- Welford Road Cemetery :- C. = Consecrated Ground. U. = Unconsecrated Ground. BUTLER --- 10 APR 1864 STBN C BUTLER --- 27 MAR 1869 INF C BUTLER --- 28 MAR 1871 STBN U BUTLER --- 7 OCT 1872 10HRS U BUTLER --- 8 APR 1874 2DAYS U BUTLER --- 6 MAR 1877 STBN C BUTLER --- 1 JUL 1879 STBN U BUTLER --- 22 JUN 1883 STBN U BUTLER --- 3 MAR 1887 STBN U BUTLER AMY 29 AUG 1878 71 C BUTLER ANN 14 JAN 1869 63 C BUTLER ANNIE 8 JAN 1891 6 U BUTLER ANNIE ELIZABETH 8 JAN 1889 5MTHS U BUTLER ARTHUR 29 SEP 1870 2 U BUTLER ARTHUR 27 SEP 1875 1YR 11MTHS U BUTLER ARTHUR ARCHIBALD 4 AUG 1863 10 U BUTLER ARTHUR HENRY 5 AUG 1874 16WKS U BUTLER CAROLINE 19 JUL 1887 45 U BUTLER CAROLINE ELIZABETH 19 OCT 1872 3MTHS U BUTLER CHARLES 1 JAN 1857 77 C BUTLER CHARLES AUGUSTUS 16 JUL 1881 7 U BUTLER CLARA AGNES LAVINIA 28 DEC 1889 3 U BUTLER CONSTANCE ELIZABETH 18 APR 1885 4MTHS U BUTLER CORA FANNY 12 JUL 1857 4MTHS U BUTLER EDITH 17 MAR 1883 15DAYS U BUTLER EDWIN SAMUEL WRIGHT 16 JUN 1888 1 U BUTLER ELIZABETH 7 JUN 1861 2 U BUTLER ELIZABETH 9 AUG 1864 20 U BUTLER ELIZABETH 14 AUG 1872 52 U BUTLER ELIZABETH 28 FEB 1887 45 U BUTLER ELIZABETH ALMA 8 MAY 1855 11WKS U BUTLER ELIZABETH ANN 11 APR 1877 7MTHS U BUTLER ELIZABETH ANN 19 OCT 1888 60 C BUTLER ELLEN 28 DEC 1863 2YRS 6MTHS U BUTLER ELLEN MAUD 15 JAN 1880 5MTHS U BUTLER EMILY 6 MAR 1859 2WKS U BUTLER EMILY 29 APR 1863 5MTHS U BUTLER EMILY 31 JAN 1887 8 U BUTLER EMILY 12 JAN 1889 23 U BUTLER EMILY ANNIE 26 DEC 1874 1YR 7MTHS U BUTLER EMMA 15 JAN 1881 34 C BUTLER EMMA JANE 12 APR 1864 16 U BUTLER ERNEST 7 DEC 1886 3 C BUTLER FANNY 28 JUL 1881 23 C BUTLER FRANCES 18 NOV 1859 39 U BUTLER FRANCES JANE 18 MAR 1855 21 U BUTLER FRED 15 JUL 1886 2 U BUTLER FREDERICK MATTHEW 4 MAY 1864 3 U BUTLER GEORGE 24 JUL 1861 7WKS U BUTLER GEORGE 26 MAY 1874 79 U BUTLER GEORGE JOSEPH 13 MAR 1888 3WKS U BUTLER HAROLD 27 DEC 1886 17MTHS C BUTLER HARRY 4 MAY 1889 22 U BUTLER HELEN ANN 22 NOV 1879 1 U BUTLER HENRY ALFRED 29 OCT 1877 22 U BUTLER HENRY FRANCIS 1 AUG 1878 7MTHS U BUTLER HEPHZIBAH 7 APR 1869 78 C BUTLER ISABELLA FLORENCE 26 DEC 1879 16 C BUTLER JAMES 18 SEP 1877 20 C BUTLER JAMES 23 OCT 1886 75 U BUTLER JOHN 30 AUG 1852 1 U BUTLER JOHN 17 AUG 1860 47 U BUTLER JOHN 5 JUN 1871 40 U BUTLER JOHN 22 MAY 1888 56 U BUTLER JOHN THOMAS 6 SEP 1867 1MTH U BUTLER JONATHAN 8 APR 1879 70 C BUTLER JOSEPH 23 JUN 1870 2WKS U BUTLER LILIAN EDITH 30 AUG 1884 1 U BUTLER MARY 29 NOV 1886 72 U BUTLER MARY ANN 10 DEC 1885 48 U BUTLER MARY JANE 6 FEB 1875 24 U BUTLER NOEL THOMAS ADRIAN 6 APR 1889 3MTHS C BUTLER PRISCILLA 5 NOV 1888 3MTHS U BUTLER RICHARD 23 FEB 1888 41 U BUTLER ROSA 13 FEB 1886 5MTHS U BUTLER RUPERT 20 AUG 1871 2WKS U BUTLER SARAH 10 AUG 1860 88 C BUTLER SARAH ANN 2 DEC 1886 75 U BUTLER SARAH ANN 4 DEC 1890 43 U BUTLER SARAH LOUISA 18 SEP 1871 6MTHS U BUTLER SYDNEY STAFFORD 2 AUG 1884 3MTHS C BUTLER THOMAS 25 JAN 1857 76 U BUTLER THOMAS 29 SEP 1866 54 U BUTLER THOMAS 16 SEP 1871 3MTHS U BUTLER THOMAS 13 SEP 1877 5MTHS U BUTLER THOMAS 7 SEP 1880 62 U BUTLER THOMAS 23 SEP 1890 62 C BUTLER THOMAS 9 JAN 1891 85 U BUTLER THOMAS EPHRAIM 15 APR 1889 8MTHS C BUTLER WALTER 26 AUG 1869 3MTHS U BUTLER WALTER 9 AUG 1879 2 U BUTLER WILLIAM 26 AUG 1852 1 U BUTLER WILLIAM 23 MAY 1860 24 U BUTLER WILLIAM 13 APR 1860 65 C BUTLER WILLIAM 12 AUG 1868 68 C BUTLER WILLIAM 10 MAY 1876 9 U BUTLER WILLIAM EDWARD 26 AUG 1889 11MTHS U BUTLER WILLIAM HENRY 8 OCT 1880 1 U BUTLER WILLIAM HENRY 22 JUN 1886 14MTHS U BUTLER WILLIAM HENRY 23 JUL 1887 4MTHS U MIKE.

Mike, Happy New Year, thanks for helping me in the past with my Ringrose's you went out of your way to give me information. Sue................

I don't hold out much hope but here goes; I am looking for any children of Derrick Russell MALLEN and his wife Louise formerly CERA nee TOCQUEVILLE. They married in 1947 in Blaby. Louise's Father is given as Elphege Joseph Tocqueville and my GGrandfather was Elphege Auguste Tocqueville. I believe they are related as Elphege is listed as one of the rarest 1st names in France (There are only some 240 ish Tocqueville's in the french phonebook inc. businesses)

Mike, Thanks SO much for that!! Feel sure that some of those Butlers are mine - certainly the ones with Draycott as a middle name are in with a chance as from the IGI I think Mary Ann Butler was born Draycott. Will have to have a good look at all my stuff as and when Charnwood allows!! I think this was John's widow and children in 1851: 217 142 11 41 56 BELGRAVE GATE THOMAS SNAITH HEAD M 39 M DRUGGIST & HABERDASHER LEI LEICESTER 2089 218 142 11 41 56 BELGRAVE GATE JANE SNAITH WIFE M 53 F LEI LEICESTER 2089 219 142 11 41 56 BELGRAVE GATE E.H. BUTLER SIL U 21 M COMMERCIAL TRAVELLER LEI LEICESTER 2089 220 143 12 41 56 BELGRAVE GATE JANE BUTLER DIL U 18 F SERVANT LEI LEICESTER 2089 221 143 12 41 56 BELGRAVE GATE JOHN THOMAS BUTLER SIL U 16 M CARRIAGE TRIMMER APP: LEI LEICESTER 2089 The free bmd has a marriage for a Jane Butler in 1839 which could be the marriage of Jane Butler to Thomas Snaith - haven't had chance to follow that one up yet. Think this is Thomas Henry and his family in Syston in 1851: folio 555 schedule 103, Chapel lane Thomas Henry BUTLER Head mar aged 38 Schoolmaster & Deputy Regr brn Leicester, St Martins's Mary Ann Butler wife aged 32 Dressmaker brn Syston Christiana Butler dau aged 5 brn Syston Sarah Jane Butler dau aged 3 brn Syston John Henry Butler son aged 6mnth brn Syston also Sarah Brewin serv aged 13 !! Housekeeper brn Hoby Really appreciate the info you have given me - it will give me a few starting points for further research. Regards, Maggie P.S. Did you say you do Thurs evenings at the Scout Shop?? Think we are at Blaby this Thursday for first Charnwood 2006 Team Managers meeting!!

Greeting’s Again Ruth….. Sorry didn’t Find Ann Fewkes anywhere…… Other than a Burial see end of this message. ( look at the burial for Edward as well ) But continued …… FEWKES :- 1841. Scanned Census Images :- HO107 / 596 /18 / Page 7. Silver Street Whitwick. EDWARD FEWKES. 11. Born within the County. Farm Servant to Samuel & Harriet Bonnet Farmers. ************************** HO107 / 596 / 18 /Page 12. Leicester Road Whitwick. Catherine Fewkes. 15. Born within the County. Female servant to John & Ann Springthorpe Stocking Makers. ************************ HO107 / 596 / 18 / Page 68. North Main Street. Whitwick. William Fewkes. (Age not able to read.) Born within the County. With John Oliver Stocking Maker. *********************** HO107 / 596 / 19 / Page 9. Thornborough Rd. Swannington. John Fewkes. 45.Farmer. Sarah. Wife. 45. Sarah. Dau. 34. Daniel. Son. 11. Ann. Dau. 10. Hannah. Dau.8. John. 6. Jesse. Son. 5. William. Son. 4. Charles. 1. All Born within the County. ********************** AYRE :- HO107 594 / 21 / Page 5. Farm Town. Coleorton. Thomas Ayre. 67. Farmer. Ann. Wife. 63. John. Son. 35. Farmer. All Born within the County. ********************* Sorry No Rebecca found. ********************* HORN(E) HO107 / 594 / 21 / Page 7. Church Town Coleorton. Francis Horne. 14. Born within the County. Farm Servant to Montgomery Hendson. Gardener. ********************* HO107 / 594 / 21 / Page 8. The Moor Coleorton. Thomas Horn. 35. Coal Miller. Ann. Wife. Margaret. Dau. 17. Sarah. Dau. 11. Mary. Dau. 7. Jane. Dau. 5. All Born within the County. ************************* BURIALS FOUND :- St. George Church Swannington. FUKES CATHERINE 24 MAR 1863 6MTHS FUKES CHARLES 7 JUN 1863 23 ABODE WEST SMETHWICK, NEAR BIRMINGHAM St John’s Church Whitwick. :- FEWKES ANN 1 JUL 1840 11MTHS FEWKES JOHN 13 NOV 1842 4MTHS FEWKES SAMUEL 30 APR 1857 2MTHS FEWKES DAVID 16 AUG 1857 2 FEWKES SARAH 23 JUL 1858 33 FEWKES SARAH 15 JAN 1863 2 FEWKES ANN 19 FEB 1863 8 FEWKES JOSEPH 17 MAY 1865 7WKS FEWKES EMMA 13 AUG 1868 15MTHS ABODE CASTLE ST FEWKES CHARLES 2 JUN 1872 3MTHS ABODE NORTH ST SMALLPOX FEWKES BURTON 19 OCT 1878 23 ABODE LEICESTER RD FEWKES HANNAH 24 FEB 1879 53 ABODE CITY OF DAN FEWKES BENJAMIN 9 MAY 1881 65 ABODE LEICESTER RD FEWKES ANN 15 SEP 1883 65 ABODE NORTH ST FEWKES EDWARD 26 JUL 1885 56 ABODE HOCKLEY KILLED BY ACCIDENT IN THE PIT FEWKES REBECCA 4 NOV 1892 69 ABODE HOCKLEY FEWKES MARY ANN 16 MAY 1894 68 FEWKES CHARLES 15 JAN 1896 73 ABODE LEICESTER RD FEWKES MARY AGNES 30 MAR 1898 10DAYS ABODE HOCKLEY WHITWICK FEWKES SAMUEL 26 DEC 1899 6WKS ABODE CADEMAN ST FEWKES JOSEPH 15 OCT 1902 84 ABODE DUMPS MIKE.

Greeting's and Welcome Janet..... I'm sorry but due to the modern dates given.. I did a quick whizz round my disks but drew a blank. So I'm unable to help you this time round.... Perhaps you you would get a result if you were to put your enquiry on the " Trying to Find " Board within this site. Some of the helpers there have " Electoral Rolls" for up to date years.... Just a had a look in the latest Phone directory for Leicestershire and there is only TWO " Mallen's " listed... So please don't give up... I wish you luck in your research and if you require any more help please do get back to us here..... MIKE.

Hello Mike I would appreciate it if you could do a lookup 1841 / 1851 census for the family of William Thornley, wife Frances or Fanny. I would like to know the address and also occupation of William In 1851, the details are Whitwick Sub-district of Ashby/Zouch 2084 Folio No 808 THORNLEY William 39 Fanny 36 Mary 15 Ellen 13 Daniel 5 Elizabeth 1 Thanks, Peter

Greeting's & Welcome back Peter. From my INDEX Census returns for 1851. Vol. 9. index No. 808. (only gives Names & Ages. ) I can confirm your Names and Ages given are correct BUT... The coordinates given (808) from my Census... in fact puts them in the Village of SWANNINGTON. ( Which is in the Parish of Whitwick ) SO...... 1841. Scanned Census Images :- HO 107 / 596 / 19 / Page 17. Main Street Swannington William Thornley. Head. 30. Blacksmith. Fanny. Wife. 25. Mary. Dau. 5. Ellen. Dau. 3. John. Son. 1. All Born within the County. **************** Next door is the Public House. I've had a look round to see if I could find a death for John but drew a blank. ..... Sorry. MIKE.

Hi Mike I wondered if you could look up both Thomas wittering birth 1847-1848 son of John and amelia oldershaw Birth 1847-1848 daughter of John Oldershaw on 1851 or 1861 census please Thank you Bev