Genealogy Chat

Im really stuck looking for my grandmother Florence May Derby born 1888 according to her marriage cert.Father John Derby (deceased) occ night watchman.This was her second marriage in Middlesbrough.to Harry Wright in 1920.NOW heres the problem cant find her on the census in Derby,cant find her first marriage to a Stubley in Middlesbrough where her children were born.Only clue is her accent.My mother would say she pronounced Egypt eg:eye,gie,wie,pie,tie.Which area would say it this way.Desperate....

If you mean she would have said 'eye gypt', sounds a bit Irish to me. Kath. x

Have found them in the 1891 census on Ancestry. Have saved the image if you send me your email address. The name has been spelt DARBY. Kath. x

I have written it the way my mother told me.She was definately not Irish

Her parents were born Sedgley, Staffordshire, some of her siblings were born Stockton-on-Tees, she and some others born Middlesbrough. Kath. x

Hi Kathleen.Just realised this Florence is the one from Longlane but her father is James so its been ruled out..

Kathleen please send me the image I have not got that info thanks.

Father definitely John on the 1891 census. Kath. x

Margaret, the email I've just sent you with the image has come back to me saying delivery failed. Is your mailbox full? Kath. x

Kathleen I think you have cracked it.Father John occ watchman guess that could be night watchman.Cant understand why Florence would have such a strange accent they dont speak like that in the Boro

Hi Margaret. The Florence that Kathleen is referring to in the 1891 census, is definately yours. Father is not James, father is John and his occupation is a Watchman. They are living at 6 weeford st in Linthorpe. details as follows: John Darby age 34 occupation watchman born Sedgley Staffordshire Martha (WIFE) age 40 born sedgley William (SON) age 26 Fitters Labourer born Sedgley John (SON) age 26 Bricklayer born Sedgley Phillip (SON) age 20 Hoop Mills Rollers Assistant born Stockton Durham Annie (DAUR) age 17 born Stockton Joseph (SON) age 13 born Stockton Herbert (SON) age 10 born Middlesborough Florence (DAUR) age 4 Born Middlesborough Elizabeth Clarke (MOTHER IN LAW) a widow age 80 born Shropshire regards, Siobhan

Hello I thought that read like a Midlands accent and had a look on West Midlands BMD http://www.bmsgh.org Presumably not yours as it isn't Stubley: West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1906 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference DARBY Florence M BILLINGHAM Eli Cradley Heath, St Luke Sandwell 20/4/286 Similarly on Staffs BMD Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1909 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference DARBY Florence M WEBB Charles Civil Marriage Cannock Chase CCRO/12/73 I had a look on: http://www.teesvalley-indexes.*co.uk (remove *) in 1915 +/- 5years and found: Search marriages - results for spouse of FLORENCE DERBY Result Year Surname Forename Initial Ref Number Click to contact 1 1915 DERBY FLORENCE M M-25-3-0-183 Middlesbrough 2 1915 SHERWOOD JOHN G M-25-3-0-183 Middlesbrough Again, it isn't the right surname for the groom. As the Florence Stubley / Harry Wright wedding does show on the Tees Valley site, I guess the others, however tempting, just won't do! Christine

Thank you everyone for your help.Can someone check the image for the mother in law Elizabeth Clarke 80 cant read place of birth ? Shropshire

Also can someone check the age for John its got to be 54 and Martha is 49 he cant be 34 with a 28year old son

After googling. I think the place of birth for mother-in-law is Stamber Mill, Worcestershire. Kath. x

Age for John Darby on the census is 54. Did you receive the image Margaret, because I got it back saying delivery failed? Kath. x

Kathleen I didnt receive the image looked it up myself from the details you gave me thanks never thought I would solve this one.Never imagined she was born in Middlesbrough but always wondered how she was there to marry Harry.Pity I cant find her first marriage to Stubley.Beginning to think she may not have married him.She was living with Harry and had my mother 14 months before they married so who knows another mystery.He was supposed to have been killed in an accident

Hi Margaret, these are your mob on 1881, check wifes age!! Dwelling: 34 Pearson St Census Place: Linthorpe, York, England Source: FHL Film 1342169 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4855 Folio 39 Page 26 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John DARBY M 44 M Sedgley, Stafford, England Rel: Head Occ: Ironwork Labourer Martha DARBY M 41 F Sedgley, Stafford, England Rel: Wife William DARBY U 17 M Sedgley, Stafford, England Rel: Son Occ: Ironwork Labourer John DARBY 15 M Sedgley, Stafford, England Rel: Son Occ: Ironwork Labourer Phillip DARBY 11 M Stockton, Durham, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Annie E. DARBY 8 F Stockton, Durham, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Joseph DARBY 3 M Stockton, Durham, England Rel: Son Regards Tony

Thanks for that Tony probably knocked a couple of years of as in 1891 she says shes 49