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There's no reason why you can't get another copy of the birth cert which will give you all its info

Hi Scott,

I know this may not get a reply but I have a similar story although it relates to my grandmother whom I am now trying to find, my father is refusing to let me gather too much information as it is his mother but myself and my brother are trying to find out what happened as my dad was born in 1941 and we have been told that his mother left him. He was subsequently brought up by his grandmother. However over time things have come up including my dads birth certificate which indicates no father and that his mother was a domestic servant at the time of his birth. The exact town of birth is indicated although the place of birth is missing as the birth certificate has been torn off where that would have been recorded. We do have info given to us by our dad although we are not sure how genuine this is as our dad seems to not want us to discover the truth. All we know is that we have a grandmother alive or dead that apparently wanted to meet us when we were young. I find this whole thing so sad and very frustrating that we cant find things out easily even now

Hi, Beryl -

It's several years since Scott posted the last message, so he's unlikely to be looking here for replies now.

You can try sending him a private message - click on his name at the top of one of his posts.
If he still has the same email address registered with GR as he had then, GR will notify him that he has a message from you.

I have just found a marriage for Sheila A Handley. Sheila married a Patrick Redmond in the last quarter of 1972 in the district of Ealing which ties in with her birth etc.

Hope this helps and you are still able to read this.

Yeah you are right sheila, i will offer her the opotunity to have the letters and include my email address in the next letter, hopefully she may be curious as she said she knows very little about her Grandmothers life.

The results below that Inis kindly gave in her Irish check for me...


Scott Sorry but date is too late for me to help with inth Republic.

Did find these


http://mayo.brsgenealogy.com/quis.php?page=0&prevStartQuery=0




Source Surname First Name Year County
Census Hanley Celia 1911 Co. Mayo
Census Hanley Celia Evelyn 1911 Co. Mayo
Census Hanly Celia 1911 Co. Mayo
Census Hanly Celia J 1911 Co. Mayo
Census Hennelly Celia 1911 Co. Mayo






1901 Census Search
Output

Townland
Parish
Barony
County
Description Head of household
Surname Head of household
Given Head of household
Occupation Other occupants
Binghamstown Kilmore Erris Mayo Household Handley Thomas(30) farmer Mary(22) wife-William(47) postmaster/brother/not married-Rev. William McGuerin(30) boarder/RC clergyman


http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/cgi-bin/newcen-srch

Hi Scott,

What a shame :O( at least you know now what happened to her, and at least you also know that she kept her daughter :O)
If you are offering to send scans of the letters, I do not think it is out of order to ask if could you maybe have a picture of Celina or Sheila, after all you have done all this searching and contacted her granddaughter to offer her this info.
Fingers crossed she sends them to you :O)

Well, i got my reply today. It appears that Celina died on 10th January 1983. She was Born on Co.Mayo 1913 so that will probably be why we couldnt find her on birth indexes. I have put in a request on here in the Irish lookups.
This shows she wasnt all that young at the time of the birth. The letter i got was from her granddaughter, as Celina's daughter had passed away in 2005.

I will send her another letter, including my email in case she would like scans of the letters, or if she wants to know or ask me anything, i think thats the only thing i can do. Although i would love to know what Celina looked like, i feel a bit entitled to ask for a photo scan as i am not blood related.

So there you have it.

This thread has been fascinating and good luck with your search.
I, like others who have read this thread would love to know the outcome.
Adopted children's original birth certificates are required by law to be amended... and for it to show the word 'adopted' in (for 1948) the right hand column.
Also you may like to check out the website 28dayslater there is a board for asylums and hospitals and great reading :-)
Scott... please let us know how you go.
Cheers Gerry

Good luck with the letter, it will be great if you do get a reply.

Just to let you know I checked all births right back to 1905 and no Celina.......a couple of Selina's but no middle names for them :-(( So she was either not born in England/Wales or was missed off the GRO returns.

Mary

Very best wishes and lots of luck with the letter

Wendy

I have been given some information by Kay, it looks to be most promising as it has the correct name and initial for Sheila and i have a current address. I have written them a letter and included an SAE.

Thanks to all those who contributed, this is a very interesting thread, being an amateur at family history research (it can be quite difficult cant it?) i value everybody's contribution. I think this thread has given me a different perspective on the research, and i can see how valuable the sharing of information is to this process.

If i get a reply to my letter i will post here if i have found the correct person, and i will post also if she is not lol. But i am going to keep using these boards, they are very very useful, maybe i will get to help some people as well?

Scott

Hi Scott
Now checked marriages 1948 - 1965 onlyfound the one above where Selina is Carter/Fletcher/Handley but I found the Peter Murphy marriage, the one in email on the net, and Peter married Selina M Handley in Preston in 1965 so this isn't your Selina and I will delete my postings on this as it will confuse the situation. I can't remove my pm you added to thread

Wendy

Thank you Dorothy that's brilliant

Wendy

Does someone know how else I can check this marriage reference for a Selina Handley? Under HANDLEY a Selina married a Carter J/A/S 1952 in Wharfedale (Nth Yorkshire) ref 2d-1583. Crossed checked as CARTER a Selina married a Carter same ref number and place, I was expecting to find Selina husband a male named Carter.I think this must be mistranscribed.

PROBLEM SOLVED THANKS TO DOROTHY

Dorothy

Request review
Today at 17:31
3rd Quarter 1952
Carter Robert A -Carter, Fletcher or HandleY
Wharfedale 2d 1583


I have checked all the marriages on Ancestry Complete for Selina between 1948 and 1960 but the the above is the only one.

Wendy

Im doing the same Minnie

just putting my name on this thread so i can find it again, its so interesting,

moe

Scott,

Have sent vital info in PM<

Its rather too personal for the board,,

Hi Scott

Oh, how funny.......I only live 5 minutes from Portchester :-)))

I'm searching births from 1910 - 1925 to see if she is there as I do get the feeling she is nearer in age to your grandfather.

Mary

Regarding your query about the letter being sent to Osterley Park. OP is now a National Trust property, but until 1949 was the home of the Villiers family, Earls of Jersey. Maybe she was in service there. She could have lived in the Ealing address you mention and "commute" to OP as it would have been walkable from a trolley bus/tram route. Maybe you could find out where the Earls of Jersey moved to after they gave OP to the National Trust, as she may have stayed with them to their new home in 1949.

Hi Wendy,

I hope you dont mind me posting the detail about the PM, as it may help the research.

It was posted in 1999 unfortunately and is a long shot but the 'husband' was born about the right time and lived in the right area, let me know how you get on. The Web site doesn't seem to exist as given.

20/2/99

From: "pasales" [email protected]

Hi. My name is Peter Murphy, I was born in Preston 22 July 1942 and lived at 105 Watling Street Road, Fulwood, I went to St Gregorys R.C. School and my father owned W. Murphy, Electrical Contractor at 218-220 North Road, Preston.

I left Preston with my late wife Sheila (Handley) in 1966 to come to live in South Australia.

Most of my family still live over there.

My email is [email protected] and my website is
www.cobweb.com.au/~pasales

Would love to hear from anyone out there with some connection.

Peter


h**p://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/prestonian/message99.htm

I will take a look at this when i get home from work,

Thanks Wendy