Genealogy Chat

Mike My brain (what brain I hear you say) can't cope at the mo, have Garratts who descend from Hursts, a Hurst that married a Ward and would you believe my nan's brothers grandaughter contacted me this morning (another Ward), really excited about talking to her soon as it is contact nearer people I know, it's been quite a roller coaster with the contacts I have made over the past month and I am still a novice compared to most of you out there!!! Elaine

Mike My brain (what brain I hear you say) can't cope at the mo, have Garratts who descend from Hursts, a Hurst that married a Ward and would you believe my nan's brothers grandaughter contacted me this morning (another Ward), really excited about talking to her soon as it is contact nearer people I know, it's been quite a roller coaster with the contacts I have made over the past month and I am still a baby compared to most of you out there!!! Elaine

Greeting's Again John... Here is one of the marriages :- St Margaret's Church..... Entry No.274, NOV 20, 1851, on Superintendent Registrar's Certificate THOMAS TOMKINS, 33, bach. CORDWAINER, of ROYAL KENT St, s. of WILLIAM TOMKINS, CORDWAINER ANNE RENNIE, 29, wid. of ROYAL KENT St, d. of THOMAS OGGLES, WOOL COMBER Wits: DINAH FREER, WILLIAM FOSTER But your other enquiries need some sorting out .... not as straight forward as we thought... looks like Thomas (51) the elder has been transcribed as Samuel as that's the only Tomkins from Northampton (Kettering) on the Census .. I'm off out now back 9 pm ish.... Elaine..... So I take it that was clear as MUD then ? ..lol :0) MIKE.

Thanks Oracle! Joshua was a bricklayer but became a masonry contractor in Canada. He died aged 80 London Ontario. Joshua is the son of my ggggrandfathers sister, have now got a whole new list of people and info including a Hurst on HMS Invincible so having a ball checking history etc As always, do appreciate your help Elaine

Greeting's Again Elaine..... Abbreviations The Age abbreviations are self-evident, consistent and reflect the original. “STBN” indicates a stillborn child and “INF” an infant of unspecified age. The Mode of Burial is usually “C” for Common or “F” for Freehold (purchased). Other entries include: S Single Interment FB Freehold Brick Grave FV Freehold Vault CF Common Interment in Freehold Grave According to an interview this morning on local radio with the Head of 'Friends of Welford Road Cemetery' I believe they do use the graves after a while if no other family are buried there. Hence Common ..... If you purchase a plot then you have a lease on the ground for a set period of time and this can be handed down through the generations.... As to if there is a stone I'm afraid you will only find that out by going to the cemetery and asking at the Lodge just inside main gates ( HQ of Friends of Welford Road) MIKE. P.S. Does Joshua appear on latter census as I've not found him yet or any burials ?

Thanks Mike Lucy who is buried in the grave you mentioned is noted as a common burial, not come across this before and was rather hoping you would explain it to me because later the plot is purchased and then it became freehold? She was 'late of the Leicester Union House' Elaine ps Would there be anything to say she was buried there

Mike Can u please give me a leg-up over my brickwall? I am seeking 1851 LEICESTER Census details in respect of THOMAS TOMKINS b1807 Northamptonshire, believe married to ANN (surname unknown) in 1851?. Also same Census details in respect of THOMAS TOMKINS b 1820 LEICESTER, married SELINA OGGLES c1841. Still owe you a pint from previous searches. Did not make Leicester in Feb, will try again in May. Regards Jon

Greeting's again Elaine...... Thought you would ...(pops in a Prozac)...:0( 1861. Scanned Census Image. RG 9 / 2283 / 104 / Page. 12. St Margaret's Parish. Off London Road. No. 29, York Street. John Garratt. Head. Mar. 60. Bricklayer. b Leicester. Catherine. Wife. 55. b Mountsorrel Leicestershire. ROBERT. SON WIDOW. 32. Bricklayer. b Leicester. John. Gr/Son. 13. Lab. b Leicester. Thomas. Gr/Son. 9. Scholar. b Birmingham. Lucy. Gr/Dau. 5. Ditto. b Leicester. Lucazer ? Gr/Dau. 21. Mender of Hosiery. b Leicester. NO SIGN of Joshua..:0( But found this Burial :- Welford Road Cemetery :- Lucy Ann. Garratt. 24th. April. 1856. Aged 25. Last known address Caroline St. St. Margaret's. Unconsecrated Ground. Section O Plot No. 1002. C = Common Grave. Burial No. 3938. So following the death of Lucy ( Did she die in Child birth of Lucy aged 5 ? ...umm) It looks like Robert went home to parents..... MIKE.

Hi Mike Yes please to 1861 Elaine

Greeting’s Again Elaine……. Garrett on the Index but note spelling on Census return !!! 1851.Full Census Transcription :- 2089 / 282 / 27 / 119. 23, Royal East Street. ROBERT GARRET LODG 22 M BRICKLAYER. Born St. Margaret’s Parish Leicester. LUCEY GARRET LODG 20 F Born Ditto. JOHN GARRET LODG 3 M Born Ditto. JOSHUA GARRET LODG 1 M Born Ditto. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2001. It looks like a Lodging House Two other Families with them Charles (61) & Lucy (62) Hurst. Francis (22) & Sarah (22) Vincent. Sarah Vincent. Dau. 5 Months old. “ Ve ave vays of finding zem “……lol :0) Do you wish me to see if his’s around in 1861. ? MIKE.

Hi Mike Could you possibly look through what you have for a Joshua Garrett born 1st Dec 1849 in Leicester, he is proving to be elusive in his early life Many thanks as always Elaine

Hi Mike It has apparently been spelt with an A or E in various census'. Thanks for that I will pass it on to him, Elaine

Greeting's again Elaine..... I was slightly confused......:0/ Is the Garratt with a E or an A you have spelt it both ways ? The only variant of that surname with connections to any Church and of the date on my disks is as follows :- Marriage. Sarah Garat ~ William Wright. 12th. Oct. 1778. St. Martin Church. By Banns. I did look on The IGI and found the following events :- Wonder if this was the marriage before John's birth ? ? Marriage. John Garrat. ~ Elizabeth Freestone. 22nd. Sept. 1794. Humberstone. Leicester. (Now not too sure if Humberstone came under St. Margaret's in that early year ? ) Two John Garratt birth's around the years given One in Hose Melton Area (1799) and the other in Lutterworth Area.(1784) So it looks like a trawl through Parish Records at Wigston ? Sorry I've not hit the nail on the head for you this time...... MIKE.

Hi Mike, Hoping I can find some info from the Parish records disc you have. A relative found me this time and he is in America. We share HURSTS if anyone is looking into that name. However a Hurst married a Garratt and he is trying to find his gggggrandfather and his is looking for the birth of John Garrett abt 1798 in St Margaret's so he can establish the parents names. Nice to talk to you again Elaine

Greeting's And Welcome Bruce...... 1861. Scanned Census Images. RG 9 / 2258 / 29/ Page 14. Enderby Leicestershire. Samuel Ross. Head. Mar. 40. Ag Lab. b Little Burton Warwickshire. Elizabeth. Wife. 42. Seamstress. b Enderby. Leicestershire. Emily Dau. 13. Stitcher. b Tur Langton Leicestershire. Betsey. dau. 9. Stitcher. b Enderby Leicestershire. RG 9 2296 / 86/ Page 16. City of Leicester. No. 36. East Bond Street. MARY ANN ROSS. 14. House servant b Enderby. Leicestershire. Mary servant to Mr Webster. Hosiery Manufacturer © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2004. 1851. INDEX ONLY Census Returns :- Vol. 3. Enderby = 358. ~ 396. Index no. 364. = Enderby. ROSS. Samuel. 29. Elizabeth 32. MARY ANN. 4. Emily. 3. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2003. MIKE.

Anyone wanting to follow progress on the new LRFHS centre go their website: www*lrfhs*org*uk Re Baptist records: found out this weekend that actually our records are kept at the Record Office in Wigston. We have a list for where people are buried (though many don't have headstones) but no one knows of a burial register. The Baptists don't have christenings (infant baptism) but often do have a a service of dedication; there may be a mention on the Cradle Roll (at least in more recent times) but no details. I guess the only official records will be the marriage register. My father-in-law was telling us that a previous minister decided to have a clear-out and ended up burning at least 10 years of church records!!!! Jan

Following yesterday's A.G.M. of the LRFHS. The New Headquarters will be known as :- 'Leicestershire & Rutland Research Centre' (This is because of the many Libraries within the City centre) Pilot House, 41, King Street, Leicester. At this moment they are working towards a grand opening of the new centre for Monday May 9th. MIKE.

That's very kind, Mike, thanks again. The IFEs travelled well. In 1841 John was in Suffolk. In 1848 he married Jane in Wolverhampton Registration District. In 1849 Anna was apparently born in Staffs. In 1851 they were in Leicestershire, by 1854 in Derbyshire. Then they settled down. Thanks again, Chris

*** F.A.O. LINDA WHITEHEAD. *** Has promised I've spoken to Peter (Shop Manager) today... Re:- Family Names Baptist lists.... Sorry but they don't do this at LRFHS.... But.... he did think it was a good idea and he'll bring it up at the next meeting.. So...... ' Watch this space '..... MIKE. Sorry some one else asked me if there was such a thing as a 'Birth certificate ' for births pre 1830... The answer was NO but you can copy entries from Parish Records...... I'll leave Paula's answer re:- Nonconformist Records until her return from the land of sunshine....... Hope she remembers the Rock ? ...lol. MIKE.

Greeting's Again Chris..... ' Your very Welcome'.... I did have a look for the IFE family in both Coleorton and Thringstone 1841.and 1861. But sorry drew a blank..... MIKE.