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Greeting's again Elaine..... I was slightly confused......:0/ Is the Garratt with a E or an A you have spelt it both ways ? The only variant of that surname with connections to any Church and of the date on my disks is as follows :- Marriage. Sarah Garat ~ William Wright. 12th. Oct. 1778. St. Martin Church. By Banns. I did look on The IGI and found the following events :- Wonder if this was the marriage before John's birth ? ? Marriage. John Garrat. ~ Elizabeth Freestone. 22nd. Sept. 1794. Humberstone. Leicester. (Now not too sure if Humberstone came under St. Margaret's in that early year ? ) Two John Garratt birth's around the years given One in Hose Melton Area (1799) and the other in Lutterworth Area.(1784) So it looks like a trawl through Parish Records at Wigston ? Sorry I've not hit the nail on the head for you this time...... MIKE.

Hi Mike It has apparently been spelt with an A or E in various census'. Thanks for that I will pass it on to him, Elaine

Hi Mike Could you possibly look through what you have for a Joshua Garrett born 1st Dec 1849 in Leicester, he is proving to be elusive in his early life Many thanks as always Elaine

Greeting’s Again Elaine……. Garrett on the Index but note spelling on Census return !!! 1851.Full Census Transcription :- 2089 / 282 / 27 / 119. 23, Royal East Street. ROBERT GARRET LODG 22 M BRICKLAYER. Born St. Margaret’s Parish Leicester. LUCEY GARRET LODG 20 F Born Ditto. JOHN GARRET LODG 3 M Born Ditto. JOSHUA GARRET LODG 1 M Born Ditto. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2001. It looks like a Lodging House Two other Families with them Charles (61) & Lucy (62) Hurst. Francis (22) & Sarah (22) Vincent. Sarah Vincent. Dau. 5 Months old. “ Ve ave vays of finding zem “……lol :0) Do you wish me to see if his’s around in 1861. ? MIKE.

Hi Mike Yes please to 1861 Elaine

Greeting's again Elaine...... Thought you would ...(pops in a Prozac)...:0( 1861. Scanned Census Image. RG 9 / 2283 / 104 / Page. 12. St Margaret's Parish. Off London Road. No. 29, York Street. John Garratt. Head. Mar. 60. Bricklayer. b Leicester. Catherine. Wife. 55. b Mountsorrel Leicestershire. ROBERT. SON WIDOW. 32. Bricklayer. b Leicester. John. Gr/Son. 13. Lab. b Leicester. Thomas. Gr/Son. 9. Scholar. b Birmingham. Lucy. Gr/Dau. 5. Ditto. b Leicester. Lucazer ? Gr/Dau. 21. Mender of Hosiery. b Leicester. NO SIGN of Joshua..:0( But found this Burial :- Welford Road Cemetery :- Lucy Ann. Garratt. 24th. April. 1856. Aged 25. Last known address Caroline St. St. Margaret's. Unconsecrated Ground. Section O Plot No. 1002. C = Common Grave. Burial No. 3938. So following the death of Lucy ( Did she die in Child birth of Lucy aged 5 ? ...umm) It looks like Robert went home to parents..... MIKE.

Mike Can u please give me a leg-up over my brickwall? I am seeking 1851 LEICESTER Census details in respect of THOMAS TOMKINS b1807 Northamptonshire, believe married to ANN (surname unknown) in 1851?. Also same Census details in respect of THOMAS TOMKINS b 1820 LEICESTER, married SELINA OGGLES c1841. Still owe you a pint from previous searches. Did not make Leicester in Feb, will try again in May. Regards Jon

Thanks Mike Lucy who is buried in the grave you mentioned is noted as a common burial, not come across this before and was rather hoping you would explain it to me because later the plot is purchased and then it became freehold? She was 'late of the Leicester Union House' Elaine ps Would there be anything to say she was buried there

Greeting's Again Elaine..... Abbreviations The Age abbreviations are self-evident, consistent and reflect the original. “STBN” indicates a stillborn child and “INF” an infant of unspecified age. The Mode of Burial is usually “C” for Common or “F” for Freehold (purchased). Other entries include: S Single Interment FB Freehold Brick Grave FV Freehold Vault CF Common Interment in Freehold Grave According to an interview this morning on local radio with the Head of 'Friends of Welford Road Cemetery' I believe they do use the graves after a while if no other family are buried there. Hence Common ..... If you purchase a plot then you have a lease on the ground for a set period of time and this can be handed down through the generations.... As to if there is a stone I'm afraid you will only find that out by going to the cemetery and asking at the Lodge just inside main gates ( HQ of Friends of Welford Road) MIKE. P.S. Does Joshua appear on latter census as I've not found him yet or any burials ?

Thanks Oracle! Joshua was a bricklayer but became a masonry contractor in Canada. He died aged 80 London Ontario. Joshua is the son of my ggggrandfathers sister, have now got a whole new list of people and info including a Hurst on HMS Invincible so having a ball checking history etc As always, do appreciate your help Elaine

Greeting's Again John... Here is one of the marriages :- St Margaret's Church..... Entry No.274, NOV 20, 1851, on Superintendent Registrar's Certificate THOMAS TOMKINS, 33, bach. CORDWAINER, of ROYAL KENT St, s. of WILLIAM TOMKINS, CORDWAINER ANNE RENNIE, 29, wid. of ROYAL KENT St, d. of THOMAS OGGLES, WOOL COMBER Wits: DINAH FREER, WILLIAM FOSTER But your other enquiries need some sorting out .... not as straight forward as we thought... looks like Thomas (51) the elder has been transcribed as Samuel as that's the only Tomkins from Northampton (Kettering) on the Census .. I'm off out now back 9 pm ish.... Elaine..... So I take it that was clear as MUD then ? ..lol :0) MIKE.

Mike My brain (what brain I hear you say) can't cope at the mo, have Garratts who descend from Hursts, a Hurst that married a Ward and would you believe my nan's brothers grandaughter contacted me this morning (another Ward), really excited about talking to her soon as it is contact nearer people I know, it's been quite a roller coaster with the contacts I have made over the past month and I am still a baby compared to most of you out there!!! Elaine

Mike My brain (what brain I hear you say) can't cope at the mo, have Garratts who descend from Hursts, a Hurst that married a Ward and would you believe my nan's brothers grandaughter contacted me this morning (another Ward), really excited about talking to her soon as it is contact nearer people I know, it's been quite a roller coaster with the contacts I have made over the past month and I am still a novice compared to most of you out there!!! Elaine

Greeting's Elaine.... I see it's getting overwhelming for you.... You've started to stutter now.......lol :0))) Passes over the family size jar of Prozac ..... MIKE.

Greeting’s again Bruce……. 1891. Census. RG 12. / 2500 /Folder 19. / Page. 9. St. Peters Parish. Whetstone. Hog’s Lane. Henry Coulson.Head. Mar. 50. Frame Work Knitter. Stocking b Whetstone. Ann. Wife. 48. b Enderby. WILLIAM. Son. Um. 22. Shoe Riveter. b Whetstone. Fred. Son. 13. Ditto. b Ditto. Ernest Hy. Son. 10. Scholar. b Whetstone. Fred Bailey. Visitor. 2. b Leicester. 1891. Census. RG 12. / 2500 / Folder 119 / Page. 34. St. John’s Parish. Enderby. Broad St. Thomas Hames. Head. Mar. 54. Road man Lab. b Great Claybrooke. Leicestershire. Mary A. Wife. 44. b Enderby. HARRIETT. Dau. Um. 24. Shoe Machinist. B Great Claybrooke. Leicestershire. Rose. A. Dau. Um. 20. b Enderby. Ernest. Son. 17. Shoe Finisher. B Enderby. Margaret. A. Dau. 13. b Enderby. Edward. Son. 7. Scholar. b Enderby. George. H. Son. 4. Ditto. b Enderby. Samuel Ross. Father-in-Law. 71. Retired Lab. b Burton Hastings. Warwick. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2003 1901. Census. RG 13 / 2958 / Folder 26 / Page. 21. St. Peter’s Parish. Whetstone. Main Street. William Coulson. Head. Mar. 32. Shoe Riveter b Whetstone. Harriett. Wife. 34. b Claybrooke Leicestershire. Harold. H. Son. 2. b Whetstone. Doris. A. Dau. 1. b Whetstone. © Crown Copyright National Archives. 1891. Census. RG 12 / 2500 / Folder 89 / Page. 14. St. John’s Parish. Enderby. Church Street. Thomas Bowler. Head. Mar.53. Sett Maker (Stone) b Mountsorrell Leicestershire. Helen. Wife. 50. Laundress. b London. Helen Beeson. Dau.21. Laundress. b London. Joe. Beeson. Son. 19. Shoe Hand. b London. Frank Beeson. Son. 17. Stone Mason b Chelsea. Fred L. Beeson. Son. 13. b Enderby. Sidney Bowler. Son. 9 Scholar b Enderby. SOPHIA.BOWLER Dau. 7. Scholar b Enderby. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2003. 1901. Census. RG 13 / 2959 / Folder 12 / Page. 16. St. John’s Parish. Enderby. West Street. Helen Bowler. Mar. 60 b Nilin End. London. Fred L. Son. 23. Stone Mason b Enderby. Sidney Bowler. Son. 19. Stone Mason b Enderby. SOPHIA.BOWLER. Dau. 17. Griswold Hosiery Knitter ( Stockings) b Enderby. * Griswold = Make of waving loom. © Crown Copyright National Archives. Time to blow out my candle ……. MIKE. JOHN TOMKINS...... Still working on your's .....

Hi Mike My new rellie in America wants me to pass on his thanks for the extra info on Lucy at Welford Road. Elaine

Greeting's Again Elaine...... Tell him in your best British accent ... Mike say's :- ' Your very Welcome '...... Now buy him a year's subscription to this site.....lol :0) MIKE.

Hi Mike I wrote to you about baptisms at leicester family history and you were going to find out at AGM. Did you find any thing. Cheers Linda

Greeting's Again...Linda. If you scroll back to page two. and look for my post Dated 13th. March. 2005.(Date of A.G.M.) Timed at 18:39:48. You'll see my reply to you.....lol :0)) MIKE.

Greeting’s Again John.. This is the only Selina showing :- 1851. Transcriptions City of Leicester. 2089 / 482 / 15 / 68. St. Margaret’s Parish. No. 31, Needle Gate. ( off Sanvey gate) THOMAS TOMKINS HEAD M 31 M FWK. Born Leicester. LEI LEICESTER SELINA TOMKINS WIFE M 35 F WORSTED SPINNER. Born Leicester. LEI LEICESTER And like wise this is the only Tomkin(s) or any variant showing coming from Northampton :- 2089 / 483 / 16 / 71. St. Margaret’s Parish. No. 57, Needle Gate. SAMUEL TOMKINS HEAD M 52 M FWK. Born Kettering. Northampton. ELIZABETH TOMKINS WIFE M 50 F FWK. Blank. ANN TOMKINS DAU U 29 F SEAMER. Born Leicester. JOHN TOMKINS SON U 27 M FWK. Born Ditto. WILLIAM TOMKINS SON U 18 M FWK. Born Ditto. JOSEPH TOMKINS SON 12 M WINDER. Born Ditto. ELIZABETH TOMKINS DAU U 20 F FANCY STITCHER. ( HOSIERY) Born Ditto LOUISA TOMKINS GDAU 11 F SEAMER. Born Ditto. RACHEL TOMKINS DAU 10 F SEAMER. Born Ditto. JAMES TOMKINS SON 8 M WINDER. Born Ditto. AMBROSE TOMKINS SON 6 M Born Ditto. ELIZA TOMKINS GDAU 2 F Born Ditto. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2004. MIKE.