Genealogy Chat

Am I going mad (yes probably) Have lost my Fossetts' and no its not a new disease. I have William Fossett born c 1790 in Surrey. Have him in Lewisham in 1871 census aged 80 retired from the Admiralty Medical Department. Have found a letter on the internet that was sent by a William K Fossett on behalf of Sir William Burnett William was First Class Clerk at the Admiralty dated 1847. His Son Silvanus King Fossett married Jane Akhurst in 1877, their daughter Florence born march 1878 and their son Frederick Silvanus born 1880. The first sighting of Silvanus is on the 1901 census living with Florence (now married) her husband and son and frederick is with them to. Silvanus was a Watchman. Where the blazes are they on any of the other censuses. People have looked for me with all variations but no joy. Please help me or I might have to join my 2 year old in throwing lunch on my head. Dawn

remind me where the original thread is .....

Laird Its on the Records board thread is Please can you help me find them. Still trying to find the fossetts. Have just been on ancestry on the 1901 and they are transcribed as Forrett silvanus is Silvann and their are two more of his daughters living there Gennett (presume meant to be Jeanette) 14 born Forest Gate and Kate 13 born Forest Gate. Dawn

Make sure I've got this right .... 1901 you said earlier 'The first sighting of Silvanus is on the 1901 census living with Florence (now married) her husband and son and frederick is with them too....' So now you see him as - 'transcribed as Forrett silvanus is Silvann' So deffo not appearing as SILVANUS in ANY census ?

Right - 99% certain he never used the forename King on any census ...

How about him using the surname KING? Theres a King family on 1891 in West Ham,Some of the children include Frederick, age 10 born Stratford Jennett age 4 born Forest Gate and Kate age 2 born Forest gate the ages of these kids match info from 1901. Also the heads occupation is Watchman on 1891.(his name is down as John on 1891,wife Jane) This is probably not them but there is a visitor by the name of William Akhurst age 21 which as you said this was the wifes maiden name,it might be worth checking Anna

Laird Thats about it. Confusing I know. Ann That is them thank you. Akhurst was his wifes Jane Maiden name. might be her brother as from what I think is Janes death she was a bit younger than hubby. At last we are getting somewhere,. Why don't they make it easy for us. Thanks Dawn

Anna - looks like that has a few common points ..... was bored looking for F/Tor/s* as well ! Well done. He has totally changed his params - no more 'born Blackheath etc ...' wonder what he was hiding from Does the wife's pb look ok ? Wheres Florence b1878 ? is it 'Lydia F' ??? The daughter Alise would have been born 1874 - before marriage ? King, Alise 17 Highgate, Middlesex Daughter West Ham Essex King, Frederick 10 stratford Son West Ham Essex King, Jane 41 Sheerness, Kent Wife West Ham Essex King, Jennett 4 forest gate Daughter West Ham Essex King, John 54 Camberwell, Surrey Head West Ham Essex King, John 8 stratford Son West Ham Essex King, Kate 2 forest gate Daughter West Ham Essex King, Lydia F 13 Shoreditch Daughter West Ham Essex King, Mable 4/12 forest gate Daughter West Ham Essex King, Mary Ann 47 Stepney, Middlesex Servant West Ham Essex

I think the FOREnames in the 1881 family clinch it - well done Anna ! 1881 England Census Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Agness Jane King abt 1845 Sheerness, Kent, England Wife West Ham Florence L. King abt 1878 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter West Ham Frederick S. King abt 1880 Forest Gate, Essex, England Son West Ham Jane Alice King abt 1874 Holloway, Middlesex, England Daughter West Ham John King abt 1837 Camberwell, Surrey, England Head West Ham Lydia T. King abt 1876 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter West Ham

I dunno Laird,some things are exactly matching throughout the census,other things are totally different lol heres 1881 What do you think Agness Jane King abt 1845 Sheerness, Kent, England Wife West Ham Florence L. King abt 1878 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter West Ham Frederick S. King abt 1880 Forest Gate, Essex, England Son West Ham Jane Alice King abt 1874 Holloway, Middlesex, England Daughter West Ham John King abt 1837 Camberwell, Surrey, England Head West Ham Lydia T. King abt 1876 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter West Ham Anna Head is John again though not Sylvanus and there a couple of children born before the date you said they were married. Anna

Have now got them under king on 1881 but why has he changed his name to John Florence birth cert and marriage cert is down was Silvanus King Fossett and thats what he signed on marriage cert as witness. And why has Jane changed her name on the 1881 to Agness Jane King. Florence is King as well but is definitely a Fossett on Birth Cert etc. I have their marriage as 1877 so thats at least two children beforehand. Thank you for your help is much appreciated and thank you Laid for all the looking up the other day as well you are a star. Dawn See takes me so long to type youve already done it. Marriage was Medway which is kent so Agness Jane or whatever she wants to be called would be about right.

Was this the marriage reference? Name: AKHURST, Agnes Jane Record Type: Marriages Quarter: December Year: 1877 District: Medway (1837-1941) County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 783 Anna

Anna, Yes thats the one, have sent off for it so will be able to sort Her out then. Why they can't keep their given names I don't know. Thanks again Dawn

Interesting. If it is Silvanus ... then -apparently- :- o Has 2 kids before marriage o Marries as Fossett o Between 1877 and 1881 changes identity - name and PoB o Stays with new Id till 1901, but signs daur's cert in original Id .... Hmmmmm - might be worth checking into bank robberies in the 1878-1880 period - LOL Fascinating .... but I think the 1891 census with the bro-in-law visiting is pretty conclusive ?

Have you got this from the IGI SILVANUS KING FOSSETT Male Event(s): Birth: 28 MAY 1836 Christening: 29 JUN 1836 Saint Peter, Walworth, Surrey, England Parents: Father: WILLIAM FOSSETT Mother: JEANNETTE theres also these siblings for Silvanus BENJAMIN KING FOSSETT - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 23 APR 1830 Saint Peter, Walworth, Surrey, England 2. CLARA JANE FOSSETT - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 31 JAN 1827 Saint Peter, Walworth, Surrey, England Anna :-)

Anna, Yes thats the lot have a few of his other siblings as well Thanks again you have helped solve the brickwall. Dawn

Laird See its all logical now, one of his brothers was a magistrate/justice of the peace he obviously did something wrong and changed his name so big bro wouldn't get him. Other thing he chaged was a Ship Steward on 1881 and then becomes a nightwatchman think on Florence birth cert is Ship Steward but on her marriage in 1900 is a nightwatchman. Mind boggles oh what fun families are. Thanks again Dawn