Genealogy Chat

Coiuld you check on 1891 & 1871 for my grt grandad JOHN BATCHELOR. I found him on tyhe 1881 on family search site living at 1 Bohn Street London .Middlesex aged 33, with his Wife Esther aged 29 son John 10.dau Esther 9 ,dau Agnes 6,son Arthur4(My grandad!!!) & two sons James 2 & 12 months???. he is listed as gas Fitter at factory *born Holloway When Arthur married his first wife Elizabeth in 1896 John wasnt listed as deceased on the marriage cert,but when he married my Nan Jessie(they wre both widowed) in Aug 1909 he is listed as deceased I couldnt find either JOHN OR Esther on the 1901census.& the only death cert I,ve found wasnt him when i purcahsed it for a death in Poplar 1900 aged 52 but he wife informant wasnt Esther. John married Esther Mar 19th 1870 (have the cert) & his addres then was 8 Suffolk Street.they married in parish ch.of old Jude Bethnal Green. So they should be on the 1871 census as a couple John was 22 & Esther 18 * he was a brassfinisher. On Arthurs marriage cert he is still listed as Brass Finisher. He would have been born circa 1847/48 but no luck yet in finding his birth cert either. John,s father was Charles Batchelor but no idea who is mother was * efforts to find Charles too not successful so far.hope this not too rambling

thanks for your help jess... one more look up if poss... 1901 for george shelley born 1878 so would be 23 / 24...born in tamworth, Stafford thanks Caroline

Please can you help me trace the Lynch family as I can only find them in the 1881 census , before and after that they seem to have disappeared. Thomas Lynch b 1831, Anne his wife b 1836, Ellen dau.b 1858, Tommy son b 1865 , Anne dau b 1866 and Elizabeth b 1868. Thomas was born in Meath Ireland and Anne born in Queenstown Ireland. The children were born in Southampton. Thomas snr was a Seaman and on the 1881 census Tommy a Steam Hammer Man. At the time of the 1881 census they were living at 51 Alice St, West Ham, Essex. We know there were other children as my dad remembers his grandmother Elizabeth saying she had numerous siblings - good Catholics - but cannot remember names etc. Would appreciate anything you can find out. Many thanks Heather

caroline Amelia Shelley 21 Versnett, Suffolk, England Daughter Chatham Kent Emma Shelley 18 Kingswinford, Suffolk, England Daughter Chatham Kent John R Shelley 16 Canada Son Chatham Kent Joseph Shelley 54 Tamworth, Warwickshire, England Head Chatham Kent Rowland Shelley 27 Hanmersmith, London, England Son Chatham Kent Ruth Shelley 55 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Chatham Kent Victor Shelley 13 Canada Son Chatham Kent Source information: RG13/728 folio 54 page 12 Registration district: Medway Sub-registration district: Rochester and Chatham ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Household schedule number: 89 address 31 Ernest Rd

Jess, Further to your offer. The only Poyner's in Cheltenham will be mine. They are the only ones on the BMD'S as well. These probably will be siblings to Robert and Emma. I would very much like any details that are known, If it's a big job, don't worry. Thank you once again. Dave

Jess, Wow, you've found them. Thank you so much. They are the right family. Looks like Wallace's wife and daughter were elsewhere on census night. They are all together in 1881. You are a star... Thank you. David

David - there were loads of Poyner families which i avoided in Cheltehnham cos i thought we were on our way to B'Ham! would you like them? Just thought it was these few you wanted will look again later bit HAVE to go shopping now!Jess

heya jess... could you do a 1901 look up for joseph shelley born 1847 should be 54...wife ruth....children...rowland born 1874...sarah 1876...george 1878...amelia 1879..emma 1883..john 1885...and victor 1887 should be in chatham, kent im trying to find out which kids were still living with them thanks Caroline x

Hi Jess, You have inadvertantly helped find details of Julia Poyner who would have been a cousin to Wallace Poyner, and to be honest not in the place I was expecting her to be as her mother Elizabeth was buried in Taynton, Gloucestershire 22 sept 1871 aged 84 !!! I take it there are no Poyner families listed for Cheltenham at Fairview Street, or a Robert/Emma (Robert Master Cabinet Maker) Wallace/Elizabeth (Wallace a master French Polisher)in central Birmingham in 1871. I have been looking for 15 years looks like they avoided census night that year !!! Thanks for having a go.. more inportantly I now have a married name for Julia. David

Thanks again, Jess. Interesting results! The age of the 'younger' Rice listed doesn't tie in with my great great grandfather's age (he would have been about 44 in 1871, but his son Edward is precisely the right age to be my great grandfather). The age of Rice's wife is interesting too, at 31 she's too young to be Edward's mother. Looks as if Rice married twice. Kate

David: which am i still missing? Emma Poyner 60 Ross, Herefordshire, England Wife Birmingham Warwickshire Robert Poyner 63 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire Thomas Poyner 16 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Wallace Poyner 33 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire William Robt Poyner 21 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Source information: RG10/3127 folio27 page 48 Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 50 Household schedule number: 245 jess x

david is this Elizabeth? Julia Crouch 41 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Wife St Mary de Grace Gloucestershire Robert Crouch 42 Cam, Gloucestershire, England Head St Mary de Grace Gloucestershire Elizabeth Poyner 84 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Mother-in-law St Mary de Grace Gloucestershire Source information: RG10/2615 Folio 49 page 49 Registration district: Gloucester Sub-registration district: St John the Baptist ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 31

Jess, Hope you can help me. Normally I don't ask for look-ups because half the fun is finding things for yourself, however I would be very grateful if you could find memebers of my POYNER family who I know moved from Cheltenham to Birmingham between 1865 and 1875. All will have been born in Cheltenham or Taynton Gloucestershire. Looking for Wallace William POYNER or William Wallace POYNER bn 1834 wife Elizabeth, daughter Harriet on 1871 census probably in central Birmingham. Also Wallace's father Robert bn 1808, Mother Emma bn1811 (Ross on wye) and all his siblings. Shows up in 1881 as Wallace Payners. variant spellings are Poiner, Pinner, Pyner. Thank you so much for your time, David

kate nor sure which of the two so have'em both! Edward Edwards 32 Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales Son Llanfor Merionethshire Gainor Edwards 18 Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales Daughter Llanfor Merionethshire Gwen Edwards 6 months Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales Granddaughter Llanfor Merionethshire Margaret Edwards 62 Llanecil, Merionethshire, Wales Wife Llanfor Merionethshire Margaret Edwards 20 Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales Daughter Llanfor Merionethshire Rice Edwards 62 Llanycil, Merionethshire, Wales Head Llanfor Merionethshire Griffith Jones 18 Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales Servant Llanfor Merionethshire Thomas Jones 6 Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales Grandson Llanfor Merionethshire Source information: RG10/5687 Registration district: Bala Sub-registration district: Bala ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Folio: 21 Page: 5 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 28 ................................. Edward Edwards 19 Bala, Merionethshire, Wales Son Llanycil Merionethshire Margt Edwards 31 Llanfybing, Caernarvonshire, Wales Wife Llanycil Merionethshire Rice Edwards 40 Bala, Merionethshire, Wales Head Llanycil Merionethshire William Edwards 1 Bala, Merionethshire, Wales Son Llanycil Merionethshire Catherine Jones 11 Bala, Merionethshire, Wales Servant Llanycil Merionethshire Source information: RG10/5686 Registration district: Bala Sub-registration district: Bala ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 8 Page: 7 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 39 jess

well done Helena Anne Gillman 37 Wickham Ne Wrigham, Kent, England Wife Hound Hampshire David Gillman 39 Canterbury, Kent, England Head Hound Hampshire John Gillman 8 Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Son Hound Hampshire Thomas Dadd Gillman 10 Gt Garmouth, Norfolk, England Son Hound Hampshire Wm Hy Gillman 5 Auckland, New Zealand Son Hound Hampshire Source information: RG10/1196 Registration district: South Stoneham Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra ED, institution, or vessel: The Royal Victoria Hospital Folio: 74 Page: 5 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 1 jess

Dear Jess, Thanks for all your help with PC Sindall. This is the right one. Best wishes Vanessa

Hi Jess Thanks for the help you've previously given me with my Williams ancestors, it's much appreciated. Any chance that you could check the 1871 census again for me? I'm looking for Rice EDWARDS (and yes the spelling is correct, it's the old spelling of Rhys/Rees/Reece), living in Bala (Merioneth) - though on the 1881 census Bala village is called Llanycil. I'm fairly certain that he's my great great grandfather and my great grandfather, Edward EDWARDS, may be shown living with him. If you can track them down, could you let me have the details, please. Fingers crossed! Kate

David Gillman. b1832 Canterbury. 1871 census in Netley, Hampshire, possible Royal Vicoria Hospital. Royal Army Medical Corps. Jess think I have sussed out how to add to your thread. Yes I am fairly new to all this and hope to be able to offer help to others as you do, one day! Thank you Helena

vanessa: tried agian with one 'L' Arthur Sindal 1 Sutton Bridge, Lincolnshire, England Son Long Sutton Lincolnshire Benjamin Sindal 37 Ingoldsby, Lincolnshire, England Head Long Sutton Lincolnshire Sarah E Sindal 21 Wisbeach St Mary, Cambridgeshire, England Wife Long Sutton Lincolnshire Source information: RG10/3327 folio 65 page 17 Registration district: Holbeach Sub-registration district: Long Sutton ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 116 address is 50 Bridge Rd looks like their marriage Harrison, Sarah Elizabeth 1868 December Marriages Spalding Lincolnshire Sindall, Benjamin 1868 December Marriages Spalding Lincolnshire Quarter:December /Year:1868 /District: Spalding County: Lincolnshire Volume: 7a Page: 708 (no others on the page) ...and this one is a PC!

Dear Jess, Thanks for the info on Benjamin Sindall. Do not think it is the correct one. He would have been about 34 years old in 1871, maybe a police constable, born in ingoldsby Lincolnshire, i would really appreciate it if you could have another look for me. This gentleman has been bugging me for a long time, i want to know who his father is. Thanks a lot Vanessa