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kate nor sure which of the two so have'em both! Edward Edwards 32 Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales Son Llanfor Merionethshire Gainor Edwards 18 Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales Daughter Llanfor Merionethshire Gwen Edwards 6 months Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales Granddaughter Llanfor Merionethshire Margaret Edwards 62 Llanecil, Merionethshire, Wales Wife Llanfor Merionethshire Margaret Edwards 20 Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales Daughter Llanfor Merionethshire Rice Edwards 62 Llanycil, Merionethshire, Wales Head Llanfor Merionethshire Griffith Jones 18 Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales Servant Llanfor Merionethshire Thomas Jones 6 Llanfor, Merionethshire, Wales Grandson Llanfor Merionethshire Source information: RG10/5687 Registration district: Bala Sub-registration district: Bala ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Folio: 21 Page: 5 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 28 ................................. Edward Edwards 19 Bala, Merionethshire, Wales Son Llanycil Merionethshire Margt Edwards 31 Llanfybing, Caernarvonshire, Wales Wife Llanycil Merionethshire Rice Edwards 40 Bala, Merionethshire, Wales Head Llanycil Merionethshire William Edwards 1 Bala, Merionethshire, Wales Son Llanycil Merionethshire Catherine Jones 11 Bala, Merionethshire, Wales Servant Llanycil Merionethshire Source information: RG10/5686 Registration district: Bala Sub-registration district: Bala ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 8 Page: 7 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 39 jess

Jess, Hope you can help me. Normally I don't ask for look-ups because half the fun is finding things for yourself, however I would be very grateful if you could find memebers of my POYNER family who I know moved from Cheltenham to Birmingham between 1865 and 1875. All will have been born in Cheltenham or Taynton Gloucestershire. Looking for Wallace William POYNER or William Wallace POYNER bn 1834 wife Elizabeth, daughter Harriet on 1871 census probably in central Birmingham. Also Wallace's father Robert bn 1808, Mother Emma bn1811 (Ross on wye) and all his siblings. Shows up in 1881 as Wallace Payners. variant spellings are Poiner, Pinner, Pyner. Thank you so much for your time, David

david is this Elizabeth? Julia Crouch 41 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Wife St Mary de Grace Gloucestershire Robert Crouch 42 Cam, Gloucestershire, England Head St Mary de Grace Gloucestershire Elizabeth Poyner 84 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Mother-in-law St Mary de Grace Gloucestershire Source information: RG10/2615 Folio 49 page 49 Registration district: Gloucester Sub-registration district: St John the Baptist ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 31

David: which am i still missing? Emma Poyner 60 Ross, Herefordshire, England Wife Birmingham Warwickshire Robert Poyner 63 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire Thomas Poyner 16 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Wallace Poyner 33 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire William Robt Poyner 21 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Source information: RG10/3127 folio27 page 48 Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 50 Household schedule number: 245 jess x

Thanks again, Jess. Interesting results! The age of the 'younger' Rice listed doesn't tie in with my great great grandfather's age (he would have been about 44 in 1871, but his son Edward is precisely the right age to be my great grandfather). The age of Rice's wife is interesting too, at 31 she's too young to be Edward's mother. Looks as if Rice married twice. Kate

Hi Jess, You have inadvertantly helped find details of Julia Poyner who would have been a cousin to Wallace Poyner, and to be honest not in the place I was expecting her to be as her mother Elizabeth was buried in Taynton, Gloucestershire 22 sept 1871 aged 84 !!! I take it there are no Poyner families listed for Cheltenham at Fairview Street, or a Robert/Emma (Robert Master Cabinet Maker) Wallace/Elizabeth (Wallace a master French Polisher)in central Birmingham in 1871. I have been looking for 15 years looks like they avoided census night that year !!! Thanks for having a go.. more inportantly I now have a married name for Julia. David

heya jess... could you do a 1901 look up for joseph shelley born 1847 should be 54...wife ruth....children...rowland born 1874...sarah 1876...george 1878...amelia 1879..emma 1883..john 1885...and victor 1887 should be in chatham, kent im trying to find out which kids were still living with them thanks Caroline x

David - there were loads of Poyner families which i avoided in Cheltehnham cos i thought we were on our way to B'Ham! would you like them? Just thought it was these few you wanted will look again later bit HAVE to go shopping now!Jess

Jess, Wow, you've found them. Thank you so much. They are the right family. Looks like Wallace's wife and daughter were elsewhere on census night. They are all together in 1881. You are a star... Thank you. David

Jess, Further to your offer. The only Poyner's in Cheltenham will be mine. They are the only ones on the BMD'S as well. These probably will be siblings to Robert and Emma. I would very much like any details that are known, If it's a big job, don't worry. Thank you once again. Dave

caroline Amelia Shelley 21 Versnett, Suffolk, England Daughter Chatham Kent Emma Shelley 18 Kingswinford, Suffolk, England Daughter Chatham Kent John R Shelley 16 Canada Son Chatham Kent Joseph Shelley 54 Tamworth, Warwickshire, England Head Chatham Kent Rowland Shelley 27 Hanmersmith, London, England Son Chatham Kent Ruth Shelley 55 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Chatham Kent Victor Shelley 13 Canada Son Chatham Kent Source information: RG13/728 folio 54 page 12 Registration district: Medway Sub-registration district: Rochester and Chatham ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Household schedule number: 89 address 31 Ernest Rd

Please can you help me trace the Lynch family as I can only find them in the 1881 census , before and after that they seem to have disappeared. Thomas Lynch b 1831, Anne his wife b 1836, Ellen dau.b 1858, Tommy son b 1865 , Anne dau b 1866 and Elizabeth b 1868. Thomas was born in Meath Ireland and Anne born in Queenstown Ireland. The children were born in Southampton. Thomas snr was a Seaman and on the 1881 census Tommy a Steam Hammer Man. At the time of the 1881 census they were living at 51 Alice St, West Ham, Essex. We know there were other children as my dad remembers his grandmother Elizabeth saying she had numerous siblings - good Catholics - but cannot remember names etc. Would appreciate anything you can find out. Many thanks Heather

thanks for your help jess... one more look up if poss... 1901 for george shelley born 1878 so would be 23 / 24...born in tamworth, Stafford thanks Caroline

Coiuld you check on 1891 & 1871 for my grt grandad JOHN BATCHELOR. I found him on tyhe 1881 on family search site living at 1 Bohn Street London .Middlesex aged 33, with his Wife Esther aged 29 son John 10.dau Esther 9 ,dau Agnes 6,son Arthur4(My grandad!!!) & two sons James 2 & 12 months???. he is listed as gas Fitter at factory *born Holloway When Arthur married his first wife Elizabeth in 1896 John wasnt listed as deceased on the marriage cert,but when he married my Nan Jessie(they wre both widowed) in Aug 1909 he is listed as deceased I couldnt find either JOHN OR Esther on the 1901census.& the only death cert I,ve found wasnt him when i purcahsed it for a death in Poplar 1900 aged 52 but he wife informant wasnt Esther. John married Esther Mar 19th 1870 (have the cert) & his addres then was 8 Suffolk Street.they married in parish ch.of old Jude Bethnal Green. So they should be on the 1871 census as a couple John was 22 & Esther 18 * he was a brassfinisher. On Arthurs marriage cert he is still listed as Brass Finisher. He would have been born circa 1847/48 but no luck yet in finding his birth cert either. John,s father was Charles Batchelor but no idea who is mother was * efforts to find Charles too not successful so far.hope this not too rambling

Here you are then david. born Cheltenham IN Cheltenham Elizabeth Poyner 40 Birdlip, Gloucestershire, England Head Cheltenham Gloucestershire Elizabeth Poyner 11 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cheltenham Gloucestershire Born Cheltenham but elsewhere: Name: Elizabeth Poyner Leonard Poyner 9 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Inmate Newent Gloucestershire Age in 1871: 28 Estimated birth year: 1843 Relation: Inmate in the workhouse of no occupation. Source information: RG10/2606 folio 71 page 4 Registration district: Newent Sub-registration district: Newent ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Allen Beard 8 Gloucestershire, England Niece Rudford Gloucestershire Fredk Poyner 44 Gloucestershire, England Head Rudford Gloucestershire Sarah Ann Poyner 36 Gloucestershire, England Wife Rudford Gloucestershire Source information: RG10/2607 folio 79 page 5 Registration district: Newent Sub-registration district: Newent Emma Poyner 60 Ross, Herefordshire, England Wife Birmingham Warwickshire Robert Poyner 63 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire Thomas Poyner 16 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Wallace Poyner 33 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire William Robt Poyner 21 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Source information: RG10/3127 Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 50 Folio: 27 Page: 48 James Llewellyn 12 Gloucestershire, England Stepson Huntley Gloucestershire Kitty Poyner 34 Tibberton, Gloucestershire, England Wife Huntley Gloucestershire Samuel Poyner 33 Tibberton, Gloucestershire, England Head Huntley Gloucestershire Tom Poyner 2 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley Gloucestershire William Poyner 6 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley Gloucestershire Source information: RG10/2605 Registration district: Westbury On Severn Sub-registration district: Huntley ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 29 Page: 5 Edward Poyner 3 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley Gloucestershire Harriett Poyner 44 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Huntley Gloucestershire John Poyner 21 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Son Huntley Gloucestershire Sarah A Poyner 5 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Huntley Gloucestershire Thomas Poyner 48 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Head Huntley Gloucestershire Source information: RG10/2605 Registration district: Westbury On Severn Sub-registration district: Huntley ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 37 Page: 21 Abiah Clara Poyner 12 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Taynton Gloucestershire Francis E Poyner 4 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Son Taynton Gloucestershire Frederick G Poyner 3 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Son Taynton Gloucestershire John Poyner 15 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Son Taynton Gloucestershire Martha Poyner 40 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Wife Taynton Gloucestershire Martha Poyner 8 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Taynton Gloucestershire Phillip J Poyner 1 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Son Taynton Gloucestershire Sarah Poyner 10 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Taynton Gloucestershire William Poyner 48 Newent, Gloucestershire, England Head Taynton Gloucestershire William R Poyner 7 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Son Taynton Gloucestershire Source information: RG10/2607 Registration district: Newent Sub-registration district: Newent ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Folio: 58 Page: 3 ( Matilda Poyner 22 Newport, Monmouth, Wales Wife Taynton Gloucestershire Ruth Poyner 1 Tarbolton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Taynton Gloucestershire William Poyner 25 Taynton, Gloucestershire, England Head Taynton Gloucestershire William Poyner 3 Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Son Taynton Gloucestershire Source information: RG10/2607 Registration district: Newent Sub-registration district: Newent ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Folio: 61 Page: 10 then just the odd ones: Sarah Poyner 65 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Servant Cirencester Gloucestershire Source information: RG10/2646 Registration district: Cirencester Sub-registration district: Cirencester ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 174 Page: 25 Ruth Poyner 30 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Servant Clifton Gloucestershire Source information: RG10/2540 Registration district: Clifton Sub-registration district: Clifton ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Folio: 96 Page: 42 Annie Poyner 25 Huntley, Gloucestershire, England Servant St Mary Gloucestershire Source information: RG10/2671 Registration district: Cheltenham Sub-registration district: Cheltenham ED, institution, or vessel: 38 Folio: 62 Page: 15 More Poyners than you can shake a stick at! Jess x

becky had to go back to 1871 for Henry Edward Dunce 1 Byfleet, Surrey, England Son Byfleet Surrey Elizabeth Dunce 37 Byfleet, Surrey, England Wife Byfleet Surrey William Dunce 37 Godalming, Surrey, England Head Byfleet Surrey Henry Flint 16 Surbiton, Surrey, England Nephew Byfleet Surrey Joseph Flint 56 Wimbledon, Surrey, England Brother-in-law Byfleet Surrey Alice Hockley 10 Byfleet, Surrey, England Stepdaughter Byfleet Surrey Charles Hockley 6 Byfleet, Surrey, England Stepson Byfleet Surrey Theresa Hockley 15 Byfleet, Surrey, England Stepdaughter Byfleet Surrey Sarah Kelsey 86 Kent, England Mother-in-law Byfleet Surrey Source information: RG10/805 Registration district: Chertsey Sub-registration district: Chertsey ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Folio: 107 Page: 18 struggling with mary Ann at the mo- any brothers or sisters that you know of? jess

Jess, Thanks for all your hard work. There are a couple of things I can now follow up from what you have found. A very Grateful Poyner. Dave

beckie in a word NO he is listed as nephew so head is either mothers brother or Dads sisters husband you'll have to check the marriages jess jess

they are there in 1871 heather Ann Lynch 38 Ireland Head All Saints Hampshire Ann Lynch 4 Southampton, Hampshire, England Daughter All Saints Hampshire Bernard Lynch 12 Southampton, Hampshire, England Son All Saints Hampshire Ellen Lynch 17 Southampton, Hampshire, England Daughter All Saints Hampshire Lissey Lynch 3 Southampton, Hampshire, England Daughter All Saints Hampshire Mathew Lynch 18 Southampton, Hampshire, England Son All Saints Hampshire Thomas Lynch 6 Southampton, Hampshire, England Son All Saints Hampshire Source information: RG10/1193 folio 103 page 12 Registration district: Southampton Sub-registration district: Southampton ED, institution, or vessel: 45 she is a 'mariner wife' so he must be at sea jess this MIGHT be him Name: Thomas Lynch Age in 1871: 40 Estimated birth year: 1831 Relation: Captain ?? Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil parish: Vessels Town: Keyham Dockyard County/Island: Devon Country: England Source information: RG10/2140 folio116 Registration district: Stoke Damerel Sub-registration district: Tamar ED, institution, or vessel: Iron Duke

Caroline how sure of George Shelly's birth year are you?