Genealogy Chat

Hi Sarah No ive not got passed William yet ive been doing some on other side Bev

http://members*lycos*co*uk/larpindex/home*php This is a good Leicester site. Lists some of my pauper/convict (and 1 soldier) ancestors, so may have yours too? Remove * and replace with . Sarah

Sarah are you saying i have got convicts in my tree lol thanks will have a look Bev

Greeting’s Again Sarah…. 1851. Index ONLY Census returns. Vol. 6. Index No. 526. = Earl Shilton. STANIFORD. James. 26. Ann. 23. NO James under surname of STANIFORTH. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2003. 1861. Scanned Census Image. RG 9 / 2262 / Folder. 72. / Page.2. Earl Shilton. High Street. James Staniforth. Head. Mar. 36. Stocking Frame Knitter. Elizabeth. Wife. 22. Ditto. Mary. Dau. 9. Seamer. Eliza J. Dau. 5. b. Hinckley. Annie. Mary. Dau. 1 Month Old. Daniel Langham. Umar. Lodger. 26. Stocking Knitter. b Leicester. All born Earl Shilton other than those stated otherwise. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2004. (Those of a nervous disposition skip the next bit ) Burials for Earl Shilton :- STAINFORD WILLIAM 5 FEB 1862 42 STANIFORD MARY 1 MAY 1836 54 (WHO WAS ACCIDENTALLY BURNT TO DEATH STANIFORD JOHN 13 NOV 1851 53 (STRANGLED HIMSELF) STANIFORD EMMA 30 SEP 1856 24 STANIFORTH JOHN 28 OCT 1847 23 STANIFORTH WILLIAM 18 MAR 1855 7MTHS STANIFORTH EMILY 17 JUN 1863 9WKS STANNFORTH SARAH 28 FEB 1819 59 WIFE OF SAMUEL STANNIFORTH THOMAS 25 FEB 1817 52 (BACHELOR) STANNIFORTH DANIEL 24 FEB 1828 7MTHS STANNIFORTH RICHARD 12 MAY 1836 14 STANNIFORTH SAMUEL 16 JUN 1839 6MTHS STANNIFORTH JAMES 27 APR 1841 9MTHS STANNIFORTH SAMUEL 28 NOV 1841 80 STANNIFORTH MARY 8 MAY 1844 15 © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2003. So if I’ve not found two James then you maybe right that it’s the same bloke….. There was another James but too young (11) and he was in Ashby De La Zouch. (Wheel barrows not let down the mines ) well not those with squeaky wheels that is If he was in the Army then don’t think I’ll find him on the 1841 Census….. MIKE.

Oh GREAT!! Those 'Stanifords' just have to be mine!! Accidentally burnt to death?? And another strangulation/hanging to add to the collection, thats 4 in this line now....... Why did my family keep getting killed/kill themselves?! (I wonder?!) Thanks as always Mike, and please re consider your decision not to swap trees with me?! Sarah

' Your very Welcome Sarah ....' Just mind how you go lighting the gas stove tomorrow !!! Or hanging out your washing ? MIKE.

Hiya Mike, could you please search for a Thomas Holmes b.1811 and his wife Elizabeth b. 1810 Both Born In Ibstock, (or so it says on 1871 census) were living in Ashby de la Zouch at the time of census, If its not too much trouble, You have already looked for John Holmes/Fanny Robinson for me but I still cant find them, Could you please give me some pointers as where to look next for them??? Am trying this Thomas to see if its possible that it's his father, Would be ever so grateful if you could help/advise hopefully Julie :)

Greeting's Again Julia..... Sorry for the delay but you'll see that there is a different surname involved and states 'SON ' which as taken the time trying to sort out as to weather it was a son of Elizabeth from an other marriage but not bottomed it yet..... 1861. Scanned Census Image. RG 9 / 2270 / Folder. 58. / Page. 4. Ashby De La Zouch. Woodville. California Row. Thomas Holmes. Head. Mar. 50. Collier. b Ibstock. Leicestershire. Elizabeth Wife. 51. Collier's Wife. b Norton.Leicestershire. Ernest Thomas KELLAM . Son. Unmar. 19. Potter. b Humberstone. Leicester. William KELLAM. Son. Unmar. 18. Potter. b. Humberstone. Leicester. JOHN HOLMES. Son. Unmar. 18. Potter. b. Ibstock. Leicestershire. George Holmes. Son. 11. Scholar. b. Ibstock. Leicestershire. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2004. 1851. INDEX ONLY Census returns. Vol. 1. INDEX No. 415. = Ibstock. HOLMES. Thomas. 14. Elizabeth. 41. Simon. 15. William. 12 JOHN. 8. George. 1. Index No. 415. = Ibstock. KELLAM. Ernest. 9. Patience. 7. William. 8. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2003. 1841. Scanned Image :- HO 107 / 601. / Folder. 10. / Page. 17. Ibstock Main Street. Thomas Holmes. Head. 30. Miner. Elizabeth. 30. Simon. 5. William. 2. All born within the County. © Crown Copyright National Archives. MIKE.

*** FOR THE ATTENTION OF JULIA GARDINER ***** Re WARTNABY in Leicestershire. Thank you for getting back to me Now..... Due to the birth date coming after 1901. The following is the best I can do ..... 1891. Scanned Census Images. RG 12 / 2519 / Folder 66. / Page. 12. Registration District Barrow Upon Soar. Seagrave. Six Hills. Edward. H. Wartnaby. Head. Mar. 44. Farmer. b Neither Broughton. Leicestershire. Agnes. Wife. b. Old Dalby Leicestershire. William. E. Son. 9. Scholar. b. Seagrave. Leicestershire. Ernest. H. Son. 8. b. Ditto. Alfred. B. Son. 5. Scholar. b. Ditto. Arthur. V. Son. 4. Scholar. b. Ditto. Clara Giles. Boarder. 41. School Mistress b. Kiddiminster. Worcestershire. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2003. 1901. Scanned census Image. RG 13 / 2980. / Folder. 74. / Page. 11. Seagrave. Six Hills Farm. Edward H. Wartnaby. Head. 54. Agnes. Wife. 41. William E. 19. Ernest. H. 18. Alfred. B. 15. Arthur. V. 14. All the same details for above has for 1891. another son :- George. C. Son. 7. Farmer's Son. b. Six Hills. Leicestershire. © Crown Copyright National Archives. So I think your John Ernest (6.12.1914.) Would be a son of any of the above Son's of Edward.... Birth's found :- Jan.~Feb.~Mar. Qrt. 1915. John E. Wartnaby. Barrow Upon Soar. Certificate No. 7 a. 267. Mother's maiden Name = LOVE. Oct.~Nov.~Dec. Qrt. 1916. Nellie C. Wartnaby. Barrow Upon Soar. Cert. No. 7 a. 246. Mother's maiden Name = Love. Jan.~ Feb.~Mar. Qrt. 1813. George C. Wartnaby. Barrow Upon Soar. Cert. No. 7 a. 270. Mother's maiden name. = Love. So if you order John Ernest's Birth certificate then you'll get who his Father was.... If I can help further then I will try.... MIKE.

Hiya Mike, Many thanks for looking for Thomas Holmes, I'm really unsure now as to whether this is my g g grandfathers family or not, (I'm sorry to be a pain,) Just Havent got a clue where to look next, is really silly to have a brick wall this early on. I do appreciate you looking. ( big Hug) Julie :)

A BIG THANKYOU MIKE YOU ARE A ANGEL ,THANKS AGAIN JULIE

Greeting’s Again Julia Gardiner….. “ Your very Welcome…..” I’ve been digging about for further info on Edward H. Wartnaby…… Has you can see got him back to 1861. But then he does a disappearing act 1871.~ 1881.…… 1861. Census :- RG 9 / 2301 / Folder. 65./ Page. 5. Old Dalby. Bulloaks Yard. William Brewthall. Head. Mar. 37 Farmer b. Leicester. 102 Acres employ. 1 man. Elizabeth. Wife. 37. Farmer’s Wife. B Leicester. William Son. 11. Scholar. b. Old Dalby. James. W. Son. 9. Ditto. Elizabeth. J. Dau. 3. Twin A. ? b Old Dalby. Julia. A. Dau. 3. Twin. B. ? b. Ditto. Agnes. E. Dau. 1. b. Old Dalby. Edward H. Wartnaby. Servant. 14. Cow Boy. b. Neither Broughton. © Copyright Leicestershire & Rutland Family History Society.2004. Looks like Edward marries the above Agnes E. note age difference on latter census returns ? 1881. Census :- Dwelling: Six Hills Farm Census Place: Seagrave, Leicester, England Source: FHL Film 1341751 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3150 Folio 77 Page 14 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Edward H. WARTNABY . M 34 M Nether Broughton, Leicester, England Rel: Head Occ: Farmer 48 Acres Agnes E. WARTNABY M 21 F Old Dalby, Leicester, England Rel: Wife © Crown Copyright National Archives. I think Edward's Father maybe a John Wartnaby Farming in Wollsthorpe on the Duke of Rutland's Estate But unfortunately that comes under Lincolnshire Censuses which I have not got as of yet..... MIKE.

thanks , i've ordered a birth certificate for my grandad john wartnaby ,cheers julie

Hello Mike, I wonder if you can help me again with the 1851 or 1861 census. i am looking for Anne faichen born 1808 in Appleby Magna and daughter also called Ann Faichen born 1850 in Southampton. I am hoping she may be with her parents William and Mary Smith in Appleby Magna for one or both of these dates. thanking you for any help you can give, alice

Greeting's Again Alice.... I'm sorry no matches in either Census for the details you've given....... MIKE.

Thank you Mike Back to the drawing board.... When she married and Changed her name from Smith to faichen you'd think she would be easier to find! thank you for your helpagain. Alice

I've been looking for 3 points every two weeks or so in Leicester and glad to say that tonight I finally found them!! Paula

Greeting's Paula..... I'm glad you've found the three points at last.... Or are you relating to the fact that LEICESTER CITY got three points to night and are certain to stay up now ? MIKE.

Extra good for me as I happen to work in Derby!! Paula

Oh Dear....time to throw a sicky then ? ...lol