Genealogy Chat

I did'nt know you could go back as far as 1091 jess :-) I think this is the marriage. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1884 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edwards John William Farnham 2a 165 GROVER Thomas Farnham 2a 165 PARSONS Louisa Jane Farnham 2a 165 SPARKES Jane Farnham 2a 165 I cant find her second marriage to harry willmott but the first of her second lot of children was born c1912 ............................................................................... here is hilda's birth Births Dec 1908 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Grover Florence Hilda Guildford 2a 78

Jenny- im getting addled or old...!! these are from 1891 Grover, Louisa J 34 Ashtead, Surrey Wife Farnham Surrey Grover, Thomas 30 Farnham, Surrey Head Farnham Surrey Grover, Thomas A 5 Bourne, Surrey Son Farnham Surrey > says at the top i have new glasses.... Birth for Hughie Name: GROVER, Hughie Alfred J Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1904 District: Farnham County: Hampshire Surrey Volume: 2a Page: 111

Janice - cant find a hannah with a frederick, with son edmund. have found some older Edmund lewis's in Glamorgan with grandchildren staying surnames HALL and JENKINS - do these tie in with yurs that you know of?

jess i think they married in 1884 and thomas was born in 1885, florence hilda was born in 1908 and would have been 97 in october , then when thomas died louisa re-married and had 3 more children, the last one in 1918, blimey as you say how old would that have made her when she had her last child in 1918, 61?. jenny

Jackie Thomas Upton born cheshire 1864+/- 5 years = Upton, John Thomas 1859 June Births Stockport Cheshire Lancashire UPTON, John Thomas 1864 March Births Macclesfield Cheshire Upton, John Thomas 1865 December Births Macclesfield Cheshire Upton, Thomas 1859 June Births Macclesfield Cheshire Upton, Thomas 1861 March Births Macclesfield Cheshire UPTON, Thomas 1864 June Births Hayfield Cheshire Derbyshire Upton, William Thomas 1861 March Births Northwich Cheshire No returns for Hyde or Tameside

David, if caroline is said to be George Jnr's mother , she would be the one i am looking for in 1871 with george Snr. These are all the returns for caroline Sherriff (nothing for Sherriff-S-) Caroline Sherriff 53 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Handsworth Staffordshire >>Caroline Sherriff 36 Fenton, Staffordshire, England Wife Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire Caroline C Sherriff 68 London, Middlesex, England Aunt Bushey Hertfordshire Caroline M Sherriff 28 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Assistant Birmingham Warwickshire >> favourite but her husband is called Isaac. Help!!

Jackie need some idea of his age, or some idea of his parents names, ideally both..

Linda. 1871 Cross the image back say Chester rd, no road name on this sheet but household 120 Ann Cross 6 Ogley Hay, Staffordshire, England Daughter Ogley Hay Staffordshire George Cross 31 Carnock, Staffordshire, England Head Ogley Hay Staffordshire >MINER Joseph Cross 9 Ogley Hay, Staffordshire, England Son Ogley Hay Staffordshire Lucy Cross 30 Weston, Staffordshire, England Wife Ogley Hay Staffordshire Samuel Cross 9 months Ogley Hay, Staffordshire, England Son Ogley Hay Staffordshire Thomas Cross 4 Ogley Hay, Staffordshire, England Son Ogley Hay Staffordshire William Cross 2 Ogley Hay, Staffordshire, England Son Ogley Hay Staffordshire

Chris. cant find madden 1871 but 1881 Anne Madden abt 1853 Ireland Wife 6 Wheeler Row, Leeds, Yorkshire, England John Madden abt 1841 Ireland Head 6 Wheeler Row, Leeds, Yorkshire, England BRICK LAYERS LABOURER will try 1891: cant find them again! 1901 ?? Name: Ann Madden Age in 1901: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Prisoner Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England could be daughter Mary 1901 Mary A Madden 21 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Servant Leeds Yorkshire looking for John..only finding a pauper! others have wrong wifes (lots of mary =wife, Ann= Daughter) Patrick keeps popping up - where does he fit?

Jenny- i still cant find them but feel that something isn't quite adding up here - if this Thomas and louisa (the one I found in 1891)had a daughter that died last week how old was she when she died? Even if she was 90, that would make her born 1915, and the first born was born by 1881 - quite a span for any woman to have been bearing children. have a bit of a think - are those 1891 the right ones? ~Jess~

Hi Jess Re George and Caroline Sherriff. I think Caroline Mary is the first wife, Mary the second. Age of Caroline in 1871 would be about 39 and George anything from 47. I have come across other census' where the ages are up to 5 years out. As well as incorrect ages on marriage certs. Not been able to find a marriage cert for either. Both 1861 and 1881 give George's occupation as Hawker, but his son's marriage cert gives it as General Dealer. Thanks Jess, regards david

I think they had 5 children, florence hilda who died last week, hughie who I think was born in 1904 and 3 others, hilda thinks one was called percy but I cant find a birth for a percy grover but I cant find them myself on the 1901 . jenny

Christopher - apologies for that. can you post full details of this new couple The Madden family in question lived in Leeds. I know Mary Madden was born in 1881 and was registered as living at 6 Wheeler Row. Her parents John Madden and Ann Madden (nee Farrell) I have no idea where they were born. I believe they would appear from 1871 census in Leeds and I would believe they came from Ireland as all the other Maddens did. Could you look from 1871 to 1901 to confirm address and children born to John and Ann Madden.

Jenny, the Grovers are not obvious on 1901 - did they have any other children besides Thomas? 1881 Grover, Louisa J 34 Ashtead, Surrey Wife Farnham Surrey Grover, Thomas 30 Farnham, Surrey Head Farnham Surrey Grover, Thomas A 5 Bourne, Surrey Son Farnham Surrey

Hello Jess, Re the Madden look up you did for me last week. It would appear Rambo did think I was duplicating my request re James and Sarah Maddens family. Would you be so kind to search 1871 to 1901 Census for John Madden and Ann Madden (nee Farrell). John is the brother of James Madden. John Madden Ann Madden (nee Farrell) Mary Madden Born 1881 and living at 6 Wheeler Row. Thanks for any help you can offer. regards, Christopher

hi jess yes the second family you have listed is correct but I dont know why I cant find the marriage of james and elizabeth or fred's birth? unless they did'nt marry, thanks for looking anyway, did you find my grover family on the 1901?, sorry to be a pain in the b** lol. jenny

jenny - think this is the frederick born in Shrewsbury but his mother is Julia. What are the other siblings names Edward Taylor 20 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son St Julian Shropshire Francis Taylor 14 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son St Julian Shropshire Fredrick Taylor 2 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son St Julian Shropshire Hannah Taylor 12 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Daughter St Julian Shropshire James Taylor 2 months Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son St Julian Shropshire Julia Taylor 42 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Wife St Julian Shropshire Mary Taylor 17 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Daughter St Julian Shropshire Samuel Taylor 18 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son St Julian Shropshire Sarah Taylor 5 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Daughter St Julian Shropshire Thomas Taylor 8 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son St Julian Shropshire Think this MIGHT be your one, frederick listed as FRED 1871 - James Clace 16 Frome, Somerset, England Lodger Eling Hampshire Martha Simonds 15 Eling, Hampshire, England Sister-in-law Eling Hampshire Elizabeth Taylor 27 Eling, Hampshire, England Wife Eling Hampshire Fred Taylor 3 Eling, Hampshire, England Son Eling Hampshire Richard Taylor 5 Eling, Hampshire, England Son Eling Hampshire Address is just 'Winsor' think Shrewbury is a bit of a Red Herring...

Hi Jess, thanks again for the look up. The Yates Yates you found in the 1891 and 1901 (family of) are definitely him. Is the one in Haslingden the only one in the 1871. I have looked in the 1881 and he is there again along with 5 others of the same name!!! but in different places. Imaginative lot when it came to naming children weren't they? Gloria

sorry jess they were both born in eling hants and lived in winsor hants.

hi jess just living in shrewsbury not born there, its just that the only marriage I could find between james taylor and elizabeth simmonds was in 1866 shrewsbury and a birth for frederick taylor 1870 also in shrewsbury I found all his siblings births in the new forest but there was no frederick born there. jenny