Genealogy Chat

So without us going through the whole thread, can you give us an update ofthe fact you have found to be correct , and what you need to clarify things. jess

Thanks again .... I think I found that on FreeBMD but I cant really tie it in with my Robert. If I can find that couple on a later census with a son Robert born circa 1859 then it woud seem more probable. I have no other clues at the moment. Thanks appreciate your time.

Thanks Johnathon but his son Robert was born about 1859 (age stated as 37 on marriage certificate 27 April 1896). Will bear it in mind though. Thanks

UPDATE: Thought you would like to know that I today received the marriage certificate. Pryna Jane Jones aged 33 (spinster) married Robert Jones aged 37 (widower) at the Parish Church in the Parish of St John Baptist Cardiff on 27 April 1896. My grandmother was born a month later! His father was Goodman Jones (deceased) and a caterer. Her father was Philip Jones and a collier. Now on the trail of Goodman Jones. Again, I thought that would be easy but can't find him on the 1881! Perhaps he was dead. Can anyone find him on an earlier census with a son Robert born circa 1859.

Thanks Louise ... hmmm does not sound like my Robert on the 1901 census. As far as I am aware my grandmother Maud only had the one sister Florence. Will bear the Merthyr one in mind though, thanks!

1891 Preyha Jones, abt 1864 Merthyr, Glamorgan Servant St Mary Glamorgan

don't think that's your's lot in 1901 Arthur Robt Jones 4 months West Derby, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire Edward F Jones 7 West Derby, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire Florence Mary Jones 4 West Derby, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire Mary Jones 29 Simonswood, Lancashire, England Wife West Derby Lancashire Robert Jones 34 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head West Derby Lancashire

PS Maud married in 1922 and father was showing as deceased.

Thanks everyone for all your searches, sorry I was not around at the time. Helen's 1881 looks promising, name and dates fit. I have ordered the marriage certificate between Pryna Jane Jones and Robert Jones (found by Janice earlier in the thread). 99% certain this is the mother and father. Mother's maiden name was also Jones as shown on youngest daughter's (Florence) birth certificate, and her father Robert was supposedly a journeyman at this time of life. Also interesting about the name sounding Indian, descendent of Florence thinks the family may have spent time in India. This may be a red herring though. Trying to think what must have happened for daughters to be put in home. After birth of Maud in Cardiff the family must have moved to West Derby where daughter Florence was born. I think husband Robert may have come from that area. Maud's middle name was Halsall and there are plenty of them in West Derby. On Maud's marriage certificate her father is listed as a stone mason and just had another look at 1901 census and think this could be Robert & Florence: Florence JONES Page ID D16AF5E3C42FF409 Person ID 28C35D6D1B6743EC Age 4 4 Year Born 1897 Where Born West Derby Lanc Census Place West Derby Lancashire Robert JONES Page ID D16AF5E3C42FF409 Person ID 327F4FF99A7698A2 Age 34 34 Year Born 1867 Where Born Liverpool Lanc Census Place West Derby Lancashire Monumental Mason Not sure who else was in household at this time. Maybe mother Pryna was there too but not been able to verify. According to Jess's earlier message Maud was showing as resident in an Industrial School in 1901, perhaps because Pryna had left the family or maybe died and Robert could not cope with both children. That's all I have to go on at the moment but again, really appreciative of all the help and searches everyone has done for me. I will keep a copy of the thread in case further down the line some of the info given here slots into place. Thanks Sue

There's a Perina Young age 70 in Wales, born Gloucestershire, in the 1901. Might be her mother on a second marriage perhaps. Janice

I think I've found her! This is 1881, note middle initial J Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence Philipp Jones abt 1825 Builth, Radnorshire, Wales Head 8 Bloomfield Street, Llandaff, Glamorgan, Wales Perina Jones abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Wife 8 Bloomfield Street, Llandaff, Glamorgan, Wales Samuel Jones abt 1858 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Son 8 Bloomfield Street, Llandaff, Glamorgan, Wales Edwin Jones abt 1862 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Son 8 Bloomfield Street, Llandaff, Glamorgan, Wales Perina J. Jones abt 1864 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter 8 Bloomfield Street, Llandaff, Glamorgan, Wales David Jones abt 1867 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Son 8 Bloomfield Street, Llandaff, Glamorgan, Wales Source information: RG11/5283 Registration district: Cardiff Sub-registration district: Cardiff ED, institution, or vessel: 28b Folio: 110 Page: 117

Just gone through all the female Jones in Cardiff in 1891, this was the only one which was vaguely possible Jones, Preyha abt 1864 Merthyr, Glamorgan Servant St Mary Glamorgan RG12/4394 Registration district: Cardiff Sub registration district: Cardiff ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Folio: 96 Page: 9

Hi Janice It is the civil registration index . births marriages and deaths Transcribed by FREEBMD but available on ANCESTRY . COM To find just GOOGLE

Jim, What is the CRI please? Janice

This is the CRI ,no PRHYNA Hunt, Bertha Pryna 1894 September Births Cardiff (1837-1974) Glamorgan Monmouthshire Hunt, Bertha Pryna 1895 June Deaths Cardiff (1837-1974) Glamorgan Monmouthshire Jones, Pryna 1847 September Deaths St Asaph Denbighshire Flintshire Jones, Pryna Jane 1896 June Marriages Cardiff (1837-1974) Glamorgan Monmouthshire Ralph, Thomas Pryna__ 1848 June Births Liverpool (1837-1924) Lancashire Rogers, Margaret Pryna 1891 March Births Merthyr Tydfil Breconshire Glamorgan Mid Glamorgan Williams, Pryna Mary 1893 June Births Pontypridd Glamorgan Mid Glamorgan Williams, Pryna Mary 1893 June Deaths Pontypridd Glamorgan Mid Glamorgan

Not sure how close you think this one is from 1871? Phrreba Bessent 1869 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter St John Glamorgan Or these from 1891.... Colmore, Phronia abt 1840 Swansea Sister Swansea Glamorgan Meredith, Phrina abt 1835 Penalt, Monmouthshire Inmate of Workhouse Monmouth Monmouthshire

It WAS PrHyna that we couldn't find anywhere...

Just to prove the existance of the name but not really very helpful, found this on 1901 Census Pryna Rogers abt 1891 Poutlottyn, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Bedwellty Monmouthshire

sunds indian to me...a girl on here called lisa evans is welsh, if that helps

Thanks Jess I appreciate your time. I had found the website you suggested but could not see anything on there. Never mind, at least I have the name of the school and will keep my eyes peeled. Sue