Genealogy Chat

claire. 1891 it all falls apart again for mary Straughan Straughan, Mary abt 1877 Charlton, South Charlton Daughter Old Bewick Northumberland Straughan, Mary abt 1878 Woodhall Daughter Westgate Northumberland Straughan, Mary Alice abt 1876 South Shields Daughter Westoe Durham Straughan, Mary J abt 1876 Ilderton, Northumberland Daughter West Lilburn Northumberland

lol it is a bit silly isnt it how are we supposed to see what kind of relative - strange. This could be the 2 sisters my grandmother mentioned though Sarah and Mary its possible. The surname is spelt slightly different but i have been in contact with someone recently (a long distance cousin) from the other side of the family and the surname changes 3 times

BUM AND POO!! excuse me please Mary Rutland abt 1877 Scotawood, Northumberland, England Relative Oxhill Durham <-- aged 24 Sarah Rutland abt 1900 Scotawood, Northumberland, England Relative Oxhill Durham Albert A Wade abt 1873 Haghouse, Durham, England Head Oxhill Durham John A Wade abt 1898 Stanley, Durham, England Son Oxhill Durham Mary P Wade abt 1873 Palaw, Durham, England Wife Oxhill Durham Michael Wade abt 1900 Stanley, Durham, England Son Oxhill Durham What B***Dy good is it calling them a 'relative'!!! Wonder where he was.....!!

Think i have something to work from here - looks probable!! Name: Rudland, Sarah Straughan Record Type: Births Quarter: September Year: 1900 <<----!! Hopefully on 1901 census! District: Newcastle upon Tyne County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 70 (click to see others on page

OK Claire, Ad some dates to that last message you left- update it with dates please

Claire you seem in a total tangle! 1.You-> 2.your parents-> 3.Grandparents-> 4 great grandparents->= Possibly a William (is that what you are saying?) 5.GG Grandparents = William Rudland + Mary Straughan(Yes?)

Well William Rudland was my grandmothers grandfather and Mary was her grandmother. My grandmothers father also William was born in Newcastle upon Tyne which is why im guessing his father was as well obviously this could be a wrong guess.

blimey!! William Rudland born between 1865 and 1888 in Newcastle <-- Where does that come from?!! from where are you drawing those boundaries? How do you know he married Mary Straughan?When?Where? jess

Hi Jess its me again Is it possible to see if you can find birth and marriage dates plus their families if possible (doesnt matter so much though it would be great) for the following 2 people. William Rudland born between 1865 and 1888 in Newcastle i presume thats where his son was born and died we think. He married Mary Straughan born also between 1865 and 1888 8it is said she had irish connections but im not sure if she was born in Ireland. The only child i know of so far is William Straughan Rudland born 1905 in newcastle upon tyne. He continued to live there as well as he was honoured with a Freedom Of Newcastle (havent quite found out exactly what this is yet). My grandmother remembers he had 3 sisters Sarah Elizabeth and Mary but its not 100%. This is all the info i have on this family so far. Hope you can find something thanks so much you're a great help Claire x

Hello Jess, many thanks for looking for Henry Church. Maybe he emigrated, served in the army, was away at sea fishing, or even died or maybe the name has been mistranscribed. One day maybe, I will find out! David Church is a cousin of my Grandfather, all the Middleton Church's are related, and there were quite a few of them! Once again, thank you. Kind regards Barbara

Yep Jess Found LIZZIE'S sister was born in DUBLIN in IRELAND so I thought it might just be a long shot as the family (ROSE - 1897 , FLORENCE - 1894 , ALICE - 1892 , LIZZIE - 1878 , LUCY - 1872 and JANE - 1874) cannot be picked up in the 1881 census (apart from those not born at the time ) unless you see if LUCY OR JANE can be found as opposed to LIZZIE , that might work Parents = JOSEPH 1848 ELIZABETH 1849 Debs

Deb Nearest is John Joseph born Birmingham Alfred Overs abt 1852 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Elizabeth Overs abt 1825 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Birmingham Warwickshire John Joseph Overs abt 1848 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Mary Agnes Overs abt 1861 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire William Overs abt 1825 Lapworth, Warwickshire, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire are you suggesting Lizzie were in ireland? cant access Ireland

Ronald, ages slightly out but otherwise good match James Bay abt 1801 Barrowford, Lancashire, England Lodger Habergham Eaves Lancashire James Boothman abt 1808 Higham, Lancashire, England Lodger Habergham Eaves Lancashire Agnes Cook abt 1818 Chefles, Lancashire, England Wife Habergham Eaves Lancashire George Cook abt 1853 Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire John Cook abt 1811 Barrowford, Lancashire, England Head Habergham Eaves Lancashire John Cook abt 1850 Pendle Forest, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire Sarah Cook abt 1855 Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England Daughter Habergham Eaves Lancashire Thomas Cook abt 1848 Rough Lee, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire head is landlord of....a BEER SHOP

barbara Does this David belong to another family- I can't find a henry Name: Church, David Age in 1891: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relation: Crew Gender: Male Where Born: Middleton, Suffolk Civil parish: Vessels Town: County: Cornwall

Hi Jess. Reposting lookup request 1861 census.Forgive me if still in a queue.1871 census showsthe following John cook hd mar age 61 (bn c1810) Publican Barrowford,Burnley,Lancs. Agnes cook wife 52 (bn c1819) bn Lancaster. Thomas Cook son 22 (bn c1849)brewers man Roughlee,Lancs. John Cook son 20 ?(bnc1851)Butcher Wheatley Lane,(nr Burnley)Lancs. Sarah Cook dtr 15 (bn c1856) cotton weaver Habergham Eaves,Burnley,Lancs. Would be most grateful if you could oblige. Kind Regards Ron

Hello Jess, Could you try and help me once again please. Could you look in the 1891 census for a Henry Church born 1859 Middleton (or Middleton Moor) Suffolk. In 1881 he's in Middleton with family, after that no trace, can't even find him in 1901. Many thanks Barbara

Hi Jess Think I may have an idea where LIZZIE OVERS (born 1878) is in the 1881 census. Have found a child born to her parents in DUBLIN , IRELAND Would you please be so good as to have a look for me Also JOSEPH OVERS born 1849 , COVENTRY , WARWICKSHIRE in 1861 census please Cheers Deb

hi jess thanksfor your reply.out of the list you sent me i think it is going to be either william kelly born liverpool1849 or the william kelly born liverpool 1850.i do not think he was born in litherland so i can possibly eliminate that william kelly all i know is he married in 1872 and was living at 15 kent street,his occupation then was a shipwright, his father was a john kelly but deceased on marriage cert.it is possible that he lived in the kent street/ st james street area of liverpool but i can not find him in 1861/1871 census hope this helps thanks again, ROB

anyone for later?

Beverly Do you have the actual death cert? that will tell you who registered the death.if it wasn't family (or even if it was ) her age at death may not be accurate jess