Genealogy Chat

Well they had they had Thomas in 1852 i think their first child was born 1848c so i guess before then anytime between earliest 1841 and then unless they got married after they had children. If you dont want to look it up i will understand i know i am being a big pain in the backside today

for jean Edward and Ellen Fowler (nee Driscoll) married in St. Stephens, Bermondsey in Oct. 1870. Both addresses shown as 18 Clarendon Street. Both shown as full age. Edward a costermonger (on later census a hawker as was Ellen). Edward Fowler born between July, 1844 and April, 1848 when he was baptised. (His parents did them in batches). *** Ellen Driscoll was born around 1846 Both in Southwark. I think they may have had 1/2 children by the time they married. Edward born about 1869 and John in 1870/1871.

Claire- I cant actually find it again.Where was their first childs birth registered?

Hi Jess If possible could you find me the marriage between Susan Leggit born Norfolk about 1830(thats on 1881 census) and James Shinn born Ashill Norfolk 1830 about. I would love to confirm as well James Shinn parents as William Shinn and Mary Ann Ripper ( from Family search) I checked on 1837 and couldn't find them for 1865 - 1869 which is when i believe their first child may have been born, Many Thanks Kirsty :)

Hi Jess This is all very new to me! Im trying to trace information on my Grd-mother FLOSSIE ELIZA BARTLETT born on 30th June, we are not sure of the year but think around the late 1880's or early 1890's in KINGSBRIDGE, DEVON. Her mothers name we underdstand was BELLE, it thought that BELLE had been married twice & the names ATKINS & WRIGHT have cropped up. Belle is thought to have had two sister's ELSIE (DURE) & MABLE (CLYNE). FLOSSIE married my Grd-father LEONARD CHARLES BOOTY, they lived in the Goodmayes, Ilford & Romford area's. Please help i am pulling my hair out with this one!! Jill

Thanks SO much Jess, the names you gave me are a help. You deserve a medal for all the help you give folks. Take care Ann x

Kirsty Can find a marriage about the right time for a james Shinn and a Susan , but not Leggit. sorry jess

jill- good start as i did wonder if her name was really flossie! Name: Bartlett, Flossie Eliza Record Type: Births Quarter: September Year: 1898 District: Kingsbridge County: Devon Volume: 5b Page: 184 (click to see others on page) 1901- shame the ennumerator couldn't spell!! Bertha Bartlett abt 1874 Coles Cross, Devon, England Daughter Dodbrooke and Kingsbridge Devon Florsie E Bartlett abt 1899 Dodbrooke, Devon, England Granddaughter Dodbrooke and Kingsbridge Devon William J Bartlett abt 1874 Bigbury, Devon, England Son-in-law Dodbrooke and Kingsbridge Devon Occupation -mail cart driver Eliza E Dure abt 1856 Slapton, Devon, England Head Dodbrooke and Kingsbridge Devon Elsie B Dure abt 1890 Coles Cross, Devon, England Daughter Dodbrooke and Kingsbridge Devon Mabel C Dure abt 1892 Coles Cross, Devon, England Daughter Dodbrooke and Kingsbridge Devon all living at 2 Endoleigh Pl *could her mother be Bertha not Bella? Bertha nee Dure? maybe , lets see!! .................................................................. The marriage Bartlett, William James 1896 March Marriages Kingsbridge Devon Dure, Bertha Ellen 1896 March Marriages Kingsbridge Devon Quarter: March Year: 1896 District: Kingsbridge County: Devon Volume: 5b Page: 279 ............................................................................. 1891- looks like it! Dure, Eliza E abt 1857 Slapton, Devon Or Devonshire Wife East Allington Devon <--Bertha's mother Dure, Bertha abt 1874 East Allington, Devon Or Devonshire Daughter East Allington Devon Dure, Cyril abt 1886 East Allington, Devon Or Devonshire Son East Allington Devon Dure, Edward abt 1852 Sherford, Devon Or Devonshire Head East Allington Devon ,<-- Bertha's father occupation mason Dure, Elsie B abt 1890 East Allington, Devon Or Devonshire Daughter East Allington Devon all Living at what looks like Coles carp --------------------------------------------------- 1881 mistranscribed as Dare Bertha Dare abt 1874 East Allington, Devon, England Daughter Coles Cross, East Allington, Devon, England Edward Dare abt 1852 Sherford, Devon, England Head Coles Cross, East Allington, Devon, England <occupation baker Eliza E. Dare abt 1855 Slapton, Devon, England Wife Coles Cross, East Allington, Devon, England address just Coles Cross ----------------------------------------------------- i would guess her parents marriage ->Beckford, Eliza Ellen 1871 June Marriages Kingsbridge Devon BRIDGMAN, Catherine 1871 June Marriages Kingsbridge Devon Channer, Edgar Campbell 1871 June Marriages Kingsbridge Devon ->DURE, Edward 1871 June Marriages Kingsbridge Devon ................................................................................ 1871 - makes me even more sure the correct marriage above!! *note the visitor! Samuel Hy Bickford abt 1803 Devonport, Devon, England Visitor Sherford Devon Agness Dare abt 1813 Sherford, Devon, England Wife Sherford Devon Edward Dare abt 1851 Sherford, Devon, England Son Sherford Devon John Dare abt 1844 Sherford, Devon, England Son Sherford Devon Mary Dare abt 1851 Kingsbridge, Devon, England Daughter-in-law Sherford Devon Robert Dare abt 1811 Stokenham, Devon, England Head Sherford Devon head Edward was mason , as were his sons Edward and John. House hold 49 just Shenford village ---------------------------------------------------------- also 1871- eliza is a boarder, slightly mis-trancribed again! Eliza Ellen Beckford abt 1853 Clapton, Devon, England Boarder Sherford Devon Phillips Beckford abt 1822 Ford, Devon, England Boarder Sherford Devon living at house hold 41 in Shenford occupation Servant and philip a housekeeper ....................................................................... last go now 1861 for both 1861 Eliza with her parents Eliza Ellen Bickford abt 1857 Slapton, Devon, England Daughter Slapton Devon Emma Bickford abt 1852 Chivelstone, Devon, England Daughter Slapton Devon John Bickford abt 1846 Chivelstone, Devon, England Son Slapton Devon Nicholas Bickford abt 1855 Blackawton, Devon, England Son Slapton Devon Phillippa Bickford abt 1825 Chivelstone, Devon, England Wife Slapton Devon Samuel Bickford abt 1804 Devonport, Devon, England Head Slapton Devon Thirza Visick abt 1829 Chivelstone, Devon, England Lodger Slapton Devon address looks like Thorne farm her fathers occupation Farm baliff ..................................................................... 1861 Edward with his mum and dad. Agness Dure abt 1812 Sherford, Devon, England Wife Sherford Devon Edward Dure abt 1851 Sherford, Devon, England Son Sherford Devon John Dure abt 1844 Sherford, Devon, England Son Sherford Devon Robert Dure abt 1810 Stokenham, Devon, England Head Sherford Devon Rebecca Jarvis abt 1841 Malborough, Devon, England Sherford Devon John Nunn abt 1845 Sherford, Devon, England Sherford Devon William Nunn abt 1850 Jersey, Channel Islands Lodger Sherford Devon Address : grocers shop, Shenford Village Occupation mason and farmer of 23 acres ................................................................................. Will return tommorow and fill in occupations and addresses etc- just too tired now jess x

Could you please let me know Susans surname Thanks Kirsty x

Julie -she doesn't show up,sorry

Clements, Henry 1852 June Marriages Hartismere Suffolk GAYTON, Rachel 1852 June Marriages Mildenhall Suffolk Rutterford, Susan 1852 June Marriages Mildenhall Suffolk Shinn, James 1852 June Marriages Mildenhall Suffolk Turrington, George 1852 June Marriages Mildenhall Suffolk Quarter: June Year: 1852 District: Mildenhall County: Suffolk Volume: 4a Page: 627

Jean - haven't forgotten you! will look later

Jean -0n an elimination process because as you say not, obvious:- Edward Fowler abt 1868 London, England Son Islington All Saints London F = alfred M=mary Edward Fowler abt 1867 Old Ford, Middlesex, England Grandson Mile End Old Town London >with G parents M=Emma Edwd H Fowler abt 1870 Southwark Son St George the Martyr Southwark London f=Jacob M=Emily George Edward Fowler abt 1870 Southwark Son St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey F=George M= Amelia Elizabeth. HUH! ----------------------------------------------------------- wonder if boys called Driscoll? Edward Driscoll abt 1869 St George in the East, Middlesex, England Son St George in the East London f=michael M=catherine Edward Driscoll abt 1867 Westr, Middlesex, England Son St John The Evangelist London F=Dennis m=Mary Edward Driscoll abt 1867 London, Middlesex, England Son St Sepulchre London F=F=Edward M= Abigail Double HUH!! ---------------------------------------------------------- Picking off the Edward seniors year by year:- Edward Fowler abt 1844 Uplyme, Devon, England Son-in-law Colway and Lyme Regis Dorset Edward Fowler abt 1844 Bushey, Hertfordshire, England Head Watford Hertfordshire Edward Fowler abt 1844 Tenterden, Kent, England Schoolmater Chatham Kent Edward Fowler abt 1844 Canterbury, Kent, England Head St Mildred Kent Edward Fowler abt 1844 Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England Son Tibshelf Nottinghamshire --->look at all - none right, (regardless of B place) ----------------------------------------------- Edward Fowler abt 1845 Tockholes, Lancashire, England Head Withnell Lancashire -->no ------------------------------------------------- Edward Fowler abt 1846 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Brother Toxteth Park Lancashire -->highly unlikely ------------------------------------------------------ Edward Fowler abt 1847 Alkbro, Lincolnshire, England Lodger Sutton Yorkshire ->unlikely Edward H Fowler abt 1847 London, England Head Islington St Clement London ->wife mary, son s william and henry Edward Henry Fowler abt 1847 Crewe, Cheshire, England Lodger Latchford Cheshire ->unlikely Edward S Fowler abt 1847 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Son Horton Yorkshire -.unlikely Edwd Fowler abt 1847 Knightsbridge Head St Marylebone London ->wife Emma (no children present) -------------------------------------------------------- Edward Fowler abt 1848 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Head St George Gloucestershire ->unlikely Edward Fowler abt 1848 Munsley, Herefordshire, England Workman Ashperton Herefordshire->unlikely Edward Fowler abt 1848 Sunbury, Middlesex, England Lodger Sunbury Middlesex ->another lodger (mary Fowler born 1849) --------------------------------------------------------- Huh HUh HUh!! getting nowhere fast!Really do have to go out now- will try for mistrancribed later - bear with me

Jess all the children were registered in Sevenoaks Kent

Hi Jess, looking for John Hampson 1823 Skelmersdale Farmer wife Elizabeth 1828 Rainford living in Aughton Lancashire in 1861 will you please look in 1871 regards June

June 1861 for my ref- they are not obvious on 1871 so hopefully one of the children is still at home Elizabeth Hampson abt 1828 Rainford, Lancashire, England Wife Aughton Lancashire Hugh Hampson abt 1861 Aughton, Lancashire, England Son Aughton Lancashire James Hampson abt 1855 Bickerstaffe, Lancashire, England Son Aughton Lancashire John Hampson abt 1823 Skelmersdale, Lancashire, England Head Aughton Lancashire John Hampson abt 1853 Bickerstaffe, Lancashire, England Son Aughton Lancashire Margaret Hampson abt 1858 Aughton, Lancashire, England Daughter Aughton Lancashire Robert Hampson abt 1852 Bickerstaffe, Lancashire, England Son Aughton Lancashire Thomas Hampson abt 1850 Bickerstaffe, Lancashire, England Son Aughton Lancashire Jane Taylor abt 1823 Aughton, Lancashire, England Servant Aughton Lancashire

Hi Jess, thank you for looking regards June

Brian - how far out is South Molton? Did he have sibling ?- have you found theirs? (If he is the son of William and Margaret (as per 1861 ) the question above is pointless!!) ame: Carder, John * Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1847 District: South Molton County: Devon Volume: 10 Page: 202 (click to see others on page)

HI JESS THNK YOU FOR YOUR HELP. BRIAN

Bumped for Jill to find her result- may be towards the end, see page 9 jess